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Things I've learned while dealing with 911 CTs

Arkan_Wolfshade

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I mean for this to be a positive thread. So, things I've learned, or at least been exposed to enough to appreciated, since I started dealing with 911 CTs.

  • Structural engineering
  • Flight Data Recorder interpretation
  • Physics
  • Photography analysis
  • Fire progression and fighting mechanics
  • Calculating explosive radius of effect
  • Building demolitions
  • Geography (DC, NY, and Shanksville)
  • How thermite/-ate works

Always learning. :)
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I mean for this to be a positive thread. So, things I've learned, or at least been exposed to enough to appreciated, since I started dealing with 911 CTs.
  • Structural engineering
  • Flight Data Recorder interpretation
  • Physics
  • Photography analysis
  • Fire progression and fighting mechanics
  • Calculating explosive radius of effect
  • Building demolitions
  • Geography (DC, NY, and Shanksville)
  • How thermite/-ate works
Always learning. :)
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Philosophy of Science
Informal Logic and Logical Fallacies
Psychology
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
I mean for this to be a positive thread. So, things I've learned, or at least been exposed to enough to appreciated, since I started dealing with 911 CTs.

  • Structural engineering
  • Flight Data Recorder interpretation
  • Physics
  • Photography analysis
  • Fire progression and fighting mechanics
  • Calculating explosive radius of effect
  • Building demolitions
  • Geography (DC, NY, and Shanksville)
  • How thermite/-ate works

Always learning. :)
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Unfortunately none of them have learned any of this...

Let's start a challenge for Steve Jones. We can gather up pledges, and raise, say a $10,000 prize for him to demonstrate how thermate can cut a clean horizontal path through a steel beam of the type in the world trade center. He can stick a beam in the ground in the Utah desert, and run his "experiments".

I pledge $100 in exchange for the rights to post it on SLC first!
 
Anti-sophist said:
Philosophy of Science
Informal Logic and Logical Fallacies
Psychology
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Oh, well you need to speak with Dr. James Fetzer, Distinguished McKnight University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Minnesota, Duluth, he has published 27 books on the philosophy of science. :D
 
He can stick a beam in the ground in the Utah desert, and run his "experiments".
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I can think of better places for him to stick that beam. :)
 
The incredible amount of work that goes into real investigations.
 
I've learned watching the CTist's behaviour how the human mind can easily be manipulated, and how it is easy to convince one's self into a belief.

It's quite frightening...
 
Things I have learned since dealing with the "truthers":

1. 99% of them are beyond changing their mind on the issues.
2. There are a group of people who think education in a given area is useless, and that layman have the best opinion on everything.
3. There are people who believe that they can create "mini-nukes" that can blow out the basement of a building, without blowing out the entire floor, and bring down skyscrapers from the top down...impressive.
4. There are people who think the Klingon "cloaking" device really exists, and was used in the planes from 9/11
5. There are people who think that co-incidences alone is enough to convict someone of killing 3,000 people.
6. That there are alot of young men in the world with alot more free time on their hands than they should have.
7. That as long as you can avoid being pinned down, you can sound like you know what you are talking about on any subject, to a certain group of followers...
8. There are a group of would be "Intellectuals" who believe a "peer review" means you find a bunch of people you know and like, ask them to stamp approval on your paper, and then publish it in their on-line webzine. this is their "peer review".
9. You don't have to be a conman to create and promote chain letters, you can just be an obnoxious retired philosophy professor.


So many other things...but maybe later.

TAM
 
"5. There are people who think that co-incidences alone is enough to convict someone of killing 3,000 people."

There are some people who think it's ok to detain anyone for whatever reason, hold them for as long as they want without trial, without telling them why they are being detained, and throw in some torture for good measure.
 
27) How bad science education is.
(You should have heard the colboard guys talking about water-powered cars... )
 
"5. There are people who think that co-incidences alone is enough to convict someone of killing 3,000 people."

There are some people who think it's ok to detain anyone for whatever reason, hold them for as long as they want without trial, without telling them why they are being detained, and throw in some torture for good measure.
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Drew, you're displaying a typical CT logical fallacy. This is not about whose side you're on. You can be against stupid 9/11 conspiracy theories AND be against certain laws and actions taken under the War on Terror.

Your mind has been conditioned to see debunking of CTs as an endorsement of politics you disagree with. Free your mind.
 
Drew said:
"5. There are people who think that co-incidences alone is enough to convict someone of killing 3,000 people."

There are some people who think it's ok to detain anyone for whatever reason, hold them for as long as they want without trial, without telling them why they are being detained, and throw in some torture for good measure.
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Yep, and I read (in yesterdays paper, I believe it was) that Mr. Prez signed those particular ideas into law. The paper did say it wasn't all that bad, because no one will likely be tried under these laws for a while pending legal review on the constitutionality of the newly signed laws.

(I apologize for the bit of a derail rant.)
 
I've learned a lot about US politics and the US military.
I've learned that paranoia is something which seems to be very common and undiagnosed in the community.
I've learned the words to the LIHOP/MIHOP song.
I've learned that Germans can be funny.
Ive learned that some Americans can spot irony and that some English people can't.
I've learned a lot of respect for the engineering profession.
 
I've learnt what wishful thinking is.
I've learnt that no matter how many times the conspiracies are debunked they will reappear the next day, in exactly the same format.
I've learnt what a shill is.
I've learnt to live with being called a CIA plant even though I'm not ( I am actually but that's beside the point)
I've learnt that many cters are humourless and will now think I am a CIA plant.

On a serious note.

I've learnt that science does not support these theories.
I've learnt physics and engineering principles do not support these theories.
I've learnt that many of these theories are just a jumble of misquotes, blurry jpegs and small anomalies.
I've learnt all about the leaders of this so called movement and how they can't even agree a cohesive thesis between themselves
I've learnt that these people have no respect whatsoever for this dreadful event and use it to promote themselves.
I've learnt they do not have this right.
 
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StoneWT said:
Drew, you're displaying a typical CT logical fallacy. This is not about whose side you're on. You can be against stupid 9/11 conspiracy theories AND be against certain laws and actions taken under the War on Terror.

Your mind has been conditioned to see debunking of CTs as an endorsement of politics you disagree with. Free your mind.
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This is such a common problem with CTs--they insist on connecting their theories to ideological issues.

Many CTs are surprised to discover that many of us who see no evidence of an inside job on 911 can at the same time intensely dislike and disagree with many policies of the very same administration.

It's almost as if some believe that if you hate the current administration, you are obligated to believe every theory that paints them in a bad light.

And that's the thing I have learned while dealing with 911 CTs (and Apollo HBs); it's all about ideology much more than facts or evidence.
 
I've learned how 'cult-like' the movement is, first hand via another forum I'm on a lot.

I've also learned lots about building demolition, aviation, incendiaries and U.S. foreign policy :)
 
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