They've Found Queen Hatshepsut!!

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How come no psychics ever got this one? I mean, the queen's spirit has been floating around for a long time now. Surely she spoke to someone to help lead them to her mummy.

On a serious note, I've always had a soft spot for Hatshepsut. I've never been to Egypt, but I plan on going one day, and her tomb and building projects have always been first on my agenda. It's also nice that the mystery has been solved with good old fashioned detective work and scientific processes, instead of woo woo beliefs and nonsense.
 
TheDoLittle said:
http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/E/EGYPT_LOST_QUEEN?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

How come no psychics ever got this one? I mean, the queen's spirit has been floating around for a long time now. Surely she spoke to someone to help lead them to her mummy.

On a serious note, I've always had a soft spot for Hatshepsut. I've never been to Egypt, but I plan on going one day, and her tomb and building projects have always been first on my agenda. It's also nice that the mystery has been solved with good old fashioned detective work and scientific processes, instead of woo woo beliefs and nonsense.
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Oh, wow!

Hawass said the queen's mummy suggested the woman was obese, probably suffered from diabetes, had liver cancer and died in her 50s.
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Well, what do you know?

Hatshepsut is believed to have stolen the throne from her young stepson, Thutmose III, who scratched her name from stone records in revenge after her death.
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Aaugh! No! Silly AP! I hate the American media.
 
Just how definitive is this? There was some scepticism expressed by at least one archaeologist (whose name I missed) on BBC radio today. There's a name on a box, a tooth in the box, and the same tooth missing from the mummies' skull, right? How sure are they that the name is right and that the tooth is original?
 
Big Les said:
Just how definitive is this? There was some scepticism expressed by at least one archaeologist (whose name I missed) on BBC radio today. There's a name on a box, a tooth in the box, and the same tooth missing from the mummies' skull, right? How sure are they that the name is right and that the tooth is original?
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The tooth supposedly fits perfectly into a socket in the mummy's mouth. Likewise, preliminary testing suggests a direct relationship of the mummy with an earlier known member of the dynasty. The mummy also fits the time period and is of the right age. The mummy was also found with another mummy associated with Hatshepsut.

The mummy has been suggested to be Hatshepsut's for a while I believe, but this looks like pretty good new evidence. I think those expressing doubts are merely being cautious. Since mummies have rarely been found in their original burial settings and almost always have been vandalized being sure of their identity can be tricky to say the least.
 
Ranillon said:
The tooth supposedly fits perfectly into a socket in the mummy's mouth. Likewise, preliminary testing suggests a direct relationship of the mummy with an earlier known member of the dynasty. The mummy also fits the time period and is of the right age. The mummy was also found with another mummy associated with Hatshepsut.

The mummy has been suggested to be Hatshepsut's for a while I believe, but this looks like pretty good new evidence. I think those expressing doubts are merely being cautious. Since mummies have rarely been found in their original burial settings and almost always have been vandalized being sure of their identity can be tricky to say the least.
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True. Since The Discovery Channel funded their DNA lab, they've been doing a comprehensive study of all the mummies at the Cairo Museum, as well as many other Egyptian (at least those beleived to be Egyptian) mummies abroad, and trying to piece together the lineage and relationships. Starting with mummies they know the identity of, they can correlate the DNA eveidence with the other evidence of the mummies in question, such as age, gender, name on the sarcophogus, the way they were wrapped, etc.

The evidence for Hatshepsut's mummy has been gathering for well over 2 decades now. It's just the DNA evidence that seems to have, and you'll excuse the pun, put the final nail in the coffin.

And of course, like any good science, you should question the results. But until something better and more convincing comes along, I'll accept what the egyptologists have determined.
 
I to have been following this story for a while now.Some have been convinced this mummy was Hatshepsut even before these test were done.I think they are as sure as they can be that this is her remains,which for me is very exciting.It is my dream to go to Egypt one day to see for myself the wonders of the place.
 
I wonder how easy it would be to hijack the ship on the way back from the Galapagos and sail that puppy right up the Nile?! I'm sure most of the JREFer's wouldn't put up too much of a fight. 8-)
 
TheDoLittle said:
I wonder how easy it would be to hijack the ship on the way back from the Galapagos and sail that puppy right up the Nile?! I'm sure most of the JREFer's wouldn't put up too much of a fight. 8-)
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We should wait until after 2010. That's when the new Grand Egyptian Museum opens up in Cairo. Wouldn't THAT be an Amazing Meeting? The GEM and the regular Cairo Museum, and maybe then a sail up the Nile to Luxor et al.

(starting to put the pennies together now)
 
That's all good news - I wasn't aware of this mummy so was naturally sceptical.
 
We will be in Egypt later this year. If you like, I'll try to get a first-hand report from the scene!
 
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"They've Found Queen Hatshepsut!!"

I love ancient history, but from the excitable tone of this, it made me think she was a wanted criminal and the cops found her, after a long manhunt, holed up in a trailer, waving a shotgun and screeching "You'll never take me alive!!!" And she's right, they didn't. Well done, Hattie. You beat the fuzz and died free! Hatshepsut rocks. She's the first and greatest female gangsta ever. Her mortuary temple has "Thug 4 Life" in hieroglyphs over the entrance.
 
TragicMonkey said:
"They've Found Queen Hatshepsut!!"

I love ancient history, but from the excitable tone of this, it made me think she was a wanted criminal and the cops found her, after a long manhunt, holed up in a trailer, waving a shotgun and screeching "You'll never take me alive!!!" And she's right, they didn't. Well done, Hattie. You beat the fuzz and died free! Hatshepsut rocks. She's the first and greatest female gangsta ever. Her mortuary temple has "Thug 4 Life" in hieroglyphs over the entrance.
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Didn't you know she was the original template for Foxy Brown?!? 8-)
 
TragicMonkey said:
"They've Found Queen Hatshepsut!!"

I love ancient history, but from the excitable tone of this, it made me think she was a wanted criminal and the cops found her, after a long manhunt, holed up in a trailer, waving a shotgun and screeching "You'll never take me alive!!!" And she's right, they didn't. Well done, Hattie. You beat the fuzz and died free! Hatshepsut rocks. She's the first and greatest female gangsta ever. Her mortuary temple has "Thug 4 Life" in hieroglyphs over the entrance.
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Yo, yo! Queenie Hats'sut represent!

Along with her co-regent, Thutmose '50Cent' III, yo!

:D
 
Joshua Korosi said:
Not quite. Frankly, I'm surprised she didn't have Thutmose III killed when he was a kid. I'm sure the thought crossed her mind once or twice...
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Really? I was able to hit the Hapshepsut exhibit at the Kimball, and got the book a couple of months later. They didn't say anything about antagonism between them while she was alive.

Of course, I don't think there was any hint of her being obese either, and I've not read all the articles -- but there's a great article on the attack on her memory, and they say it was pretty well confined to any hint that she was considered a king, and done late in T3's reign, etc.
 
Well think about it this way. She wasn't supposed to be a king at all to begin with; and she had a daughter (by Thutmose II), Neferure, whom she was raising to be a prince and successor - which doesn't make sense, unless Hatshepsut had either forgotten that Thutmose III was supposed to be king when he got old enough, or had decided that - one way or another - it wasn't going to happen.
 
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