There Really Was Some Voter Fraud!

Skeptical Greg

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"and also registering his dead mother-in-law to vote with the intent to do the same"?


How freaking lame is this? If you're going to break the law, at least make it count!
 
While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
 
Stacyhs said:
Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
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Not *really* - but it's often just some random ex-felon who was registered by mistake at the DMV, and voted because they were told by officials that they could.

(Of course, ex-felons should be allowed to vote except *possibly* in cases of actual mass voter fraud, but that's another topic...)

I rather suspect it'll be more likely this time around in particular - mostly because Toupee Fiasco flipping told them to do it. And yes, there are individual republicans "testing" the registration or voting system, again because the GOP keeps screaming about how there's so much fraud, and they want to "prove" how easy it is by voting twice, and then...loudly announcing that they broke the law, I guess, it doesn't strike me as a good plan. And as always, it's "some idiot that stood no chance of changing anything", and not "busloads of illegals/black people that nobody has ever met before according to Joanne the bitter retiree that sits around in the local diner all day watching FOX News instead of meeting anyone that moved there in the past 20 years."
 
Firestone said:
While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
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There was a reddit thread I was looking at one time about voter fraud allegations and the resident Trumpian was adamant about how voter fraud was 'easy' and that he could do it.

Several inquiries towards this guy later asking how he could get a person's SS#, fake their signature, and hope the person wasn't voting elsewhere the Trumpian revealed that he was a landlord and he had his former tenant's SS#'s from rental applications along with signatures he could forge. That was his idea of 'easy'.

As someone noted: he would have to deliberately and intentionally commit three felonies to cast one fake vote: one for using someone else's SS#, one for forging their signature, and one for the fake vote itself.

This isn't some poor guy who voted in the wrong district or messed up his voting status. This is someone who deliberately went out of his way to commit multiple felonies that ultimately cause a loss of faith in the electoral system. He can rot in jail and pound rocks for all that I care.
 
Firestone said:
While I'll admit some schadenfreude, isn't up to 19 years in prison a grotesquely disproportionate punishment?
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I think the reasoning is that tampering with voting processes potentially undermines our country horrifically. Like, fundementally. Coup-ishly, if you will.

Anyone know the verified score with real voter fraud thus far found? I recall a half dozen or so Republican fraudsters but I haven't been keeping close tabs.
 
Thermal said:
I think the reasoning is that tampering with voting processes potentially undermines our country horrifically. Like, fundementally. Coup-ishly, if you will.

Anyone know the verified score with real voter fraud thus far found? I recall a half dozen or so Republican fraudsters but I haven't been keeping close tabs.
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'Verified' according to whom? According to Giuliani, there's thousands! He's got thousands of verified affidavits. He can't show them all to you but he has them!
 
dann said:
Presidential pardon?
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No, I think only the Governor of Pennsylvania would have the power to pardon this particular crime.

Stacyhs said:
Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
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Maybe there's some projection here. Republicans are so certain that Democrats are up to no good, they think they need to cheat just to even the odds a bit.

Bartman’s lawyer, Samuel Stretton, told The Philadelphia Inquirer that his client is taking responsibility for his actions and is cooperating with authorities.

“In his political frustration, he chose to do something stupid,” Stretton said. “And for that he is very sorry.”

The county’s top prosecutor stressed that Bartman’s ability to cast a vote on behalf of his deceased mother is not evidence of widespread voter fraud and that they are not prosecuting the case because of who Bartman voted for.
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Stacyhs said:
Why does it seem to be Republicans more often than not?
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Maybe it's because he was convinced the Democrats were doing too. If the other side is doing it, why wouldn't you try to cheat? I think we're going to see this a lot in 2022 and 2024 when all the people who "know" this election was stolen try to steal the next election.
 
Craig4 said:
Maybe it's because he was convinced the Democrats were doing too. If the other side is doing it, why wouldn't you try to cheat?
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Yes, that makes perfect sense. You think someone is breaking the law, so you break the law to make up for it. Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right. :rolleyes:

Or... he's just an ******** who doesn't believe in democracy and was afraid the guy he voted for would lose.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Yes, that makes perfect sense. You think someone is breaking the law, so you break the law to make up for it. Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right. :rolleyes:

Or... he's just an ******** who doesn't believe in democracy and was afraid the guy he voted for would lose.
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Yes, I think that's the more obvious answer.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Yes, that makes perfect sense. You think someone is breaking the law, so you break the law to make up for it. Because as we all know, two wrongs make a right. :rolleyes:

Or... he's just an ******** who doesn't believe in democracy and was afraid the guy he voted for would lose.
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When the president of the United States spends months, or years, yelling about there being a huge problem, and how "someone" needs to fix it, it's not at all surprising that at least a few stupid people will come up with, and actually try, stupid solutions.
 
Horatius said:
When the president of the United States spends months, or years, yelling about there being a huge problem, and how "someone" needs to fix it, it's not at all surprising that at least a few stupid people will come up with, and actually try, stupid solutions.
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Don't forget flat out telling his supporters to vote multiple times in order to "demonstrate" how broken the system is and how easy it is to cheat.
 
I'd say was the Broken Windows thing. Republicans being the main culprits in voting fraud shows that they are hearing nothing but a constant stream of fraudulent votes already being cast by their perceived enemies, so they really *must* commit fraud to counter what's already there. Worse, then they say that Trump is only trying to restore our faith in the electoral system....but only Republicans have had their faith shaken and with no other sources of information, they don't know that they're alone.
 
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