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The unholy Koran commands:

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The unholy Koran commands:


Sura 9. 5-6: "Kill those who join other Gods with God wherever you may find them."

"Those who believe fight in the cause of God."

YUSUFALI: “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.”

PICKTHAL: “Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! The devil's strategy is ever weak.”

Sura 9:5:
"…Kill those who join other Gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush…"

Sura 47:4:
"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them…"

Sura 9:29:
"…Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden…until they pay tribute…"

Sura 8:39:
"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's (Islam)."

Sura 9:3:
"Proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject faith."

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Fortunately, in my opinion, Muslims today are thought to be very honorable people who are also very tolerable of other beliefs. Theres always that idiot minority percentage of extremists who go out and "follow the koran word for word" by means of terror (those idiots exist in many other faiths and beliefs as well).
 
I generally agree with AtheistWorld on this though perhaps not the context of every specific. Generally though a religion is more then just scriptute taken at face value but tradition and Islam has a violent tradition. Perhaps every Muslim in the west, the one's you meet, is a peaceful and tolerant fellow, but that's hardly a represenative of most or all Islam.

A college teacher in Hawaii for example dressed as the founder of a religion when he taught about them, he'd dresss as Jesus when teaching xianity, Buddha on Buddhism etc. When he dressed like Mohommad though he got hundreds of death threats as soon as his video became public from Muslims. No other group I know will send death rates to this degree. But then again, no other modern religious group has issued a Jihad or Fatwa.
 
Why don't you go to any "Muslim" country and wear a t-shirt which says "I am an atheist" and see how long you stay alive...;)

and come back and tell us which tolerant Muslims did/did not kill you...;)

Max
 
Whether or not they would kill me, I'm sure if you said that to a Muslim in a "Muslim" country, they would be quite offended.

What is your anti-religion agenda. I recognize you are atheist. But I know just one guy can muck it up for the rest of us tolerant atheists. Do you really like perpetuating the negative atheist stereotype? It doesnt hurt to be a tad more tolerant toward other beliefs.
 
It doesnt hurt to be a tad more tolerant toward other beliefs.
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Yes it does...if those beliefs are ligious dogma...

Max
 
I forgot, well then, your intolerance is completely excused... [sarcasm disclaimer: that was sarcasm]

Why dont you try a little harder.

What is it about dogmatic beliefs that offends you?
Is it really necessary to attack and criticize dogmatic beliefs?
Do you enjoy slinkies?
Is there a reason why I shouldnt be more tolerant toward others beliefs?
What if someone is intolerant of mine?
 
Whether or not they would kill me, I'm sure if you said that to a Muslim in a "Muslim" country, they would be quite offended.
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Give me a break. I'm not sure about AtheistWorld here, he seems kind of zealous. But you know perfectly well if you went to a Muslim country with a "Friendly Neighborhood Atheist" T-Shirt you would not be coming back. A leading rationalist got executed in Pakistan for suggesting that Mohommad's parents (who died before Mohommad founded Islam) were not Muslim. And Pakistan's one of the more "liberal" Muslim theocracies. You'd be safer preaching Trotskyism in China.

Seriously, this entire debate reminds me of when Jerry Falwell actually made a good point against Donahue. (Which was quite surprising as I thought Falwell was completely incapable of such). Basically Donahue said it was wrong to call Muslims "intolerant."

And then called Jerry Falwell "intolerant" for saying non-Christians go to hell.

Falwell answered with "Well then you have to call Muslims intolerant because they say non-Muslims go to hell."

Donanhue was stumped.
 
DialecticMaterialist said:


Give me a break. I'm not sure about AtheistWorld here, he seems kind of zealous. But you know perfectly well if you went to a Muslim country with a "Friendly Neighborhood Atheist" T-Shirt you would not be coming back. A leading rationalist got executed in Pakistan for suggesting that Mohommad's parents (who died before Mohommad founded Islam) were not Muslim. You'd be safer preaching Trotskyism in China.

Seriously this entire debate reminds me of when Jerry Falwell actually made a good point against Donahue. (Which was quite surprising as I thought Falwell was completely incapable of such). Basically Donahue said it was wrong to call Muslims "intolerant."

And then called Jerry Falwell "intolerant" for saying non-Christians go to hell.

Falwell answered with "Well then you have to call Muslims intolerant because they say non-Muslims go to hell."

Donanhue was stumped.
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Good point. It's obvious that I'm wasting my time. I'll go make sarcastic comments all around the board. Anyway, I know I shouldnt feel this way, but I feel like I've been harassing AW.c. I have better more consructive uses for my time... I could be making a sandwich for instance... or sleeping...
 
Well, not everything that Max says is bovine excrement. I see nothing wrong with being intolerant of religious extremism. Anyone who followed those particular parts of the Koran would necessarily be the enemy of all who embrace reason and liberty.
 
Islam is NOT just a religion, it is a social order. islam the religion is also islam the political ideology of the Muslim mind. There are no political ideologies separate from Religion in Muslim countries as it is diametrically opposed to Islam itself.

One cannot be a Muslim and have political views which oppose Islam, PERIOD.
 
DialecticMaterialist said:


And Pakistan's one of the more "liberal" Muslim theocracies.
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I hope that you are aware of the fact that not all Muslim countries are theocracies.
 
DialecticMaterialist said:
Name one that is not either authoritarian or theocracy.
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Some Muslim countries have very secular (but still authoritarian) governments, with decidedly non-Muslim political philosophy. Most outstanding are Syria and Iraq (until recently). The Baathist political philosophy is based on pan-Arab socialist nationalism, and leaves no place for theocracy. Saddam's calls for "holy war" or any attendence to a mosque were never sincere, and were always meant to try to incorporate the religious into his cause.

Turkey is another example. Closer to real democracy, but also aggressively anti-theocratic. A religious party gained power a few years ago, but has since gone into the minority in government.
 
All religions have their tolerant and extremist elements... I wonder how well you'd be welcomed in texas if you stood up and stated that Jesus' Mom was a Jew.........
Taking individual verses from a religious book opens up a whole can o' worms. You can do exactly the same for the Bible. It's just chock full of sex 'n' violence. Probably, the same goes for most religious traditions.
If you want to argue that ALL religions are corrupt and violent, i guess you may have a point, although there are plenty of examples of tolerant, loving people active within most religions.
Maybe you just want to pick apart the muslim faith. Who Knows? who cares? as for me, and my Muslim, Mormon, and Sikh aquintances, we will continue to respect each others faith, or lack of it.
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Yahweh said:
I Is there a reason why I shouldnt be more tolerant toward others beliefs?
What if someone is intolerant of mine?
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What if someone believes that whites are superior to blacks?
Or believes that Jews should be exterminated?
Or that woman are property to be used by men as men see fit?

Are those beliefs one should tolerate?
 
AtheistWorld.Com said:
Islam is NOT just a religion, it is a social order. islam the religion is also islam the political ideology of the Muslim mind. There are no political ideologies separate from Religion in Muslim countries as it is diametrically opposed to Islam itself.

One cannot be a Muslim and have political views which oppose Islam, PERIOD.
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Yeah, yea nad the same can be said of christianity as well, there are times it has dominated and destroyes other cultures,.

You need to get out and meet some Islam they are no more all fundies than all christians are fundies.

So whats your point , a true athest would decry all religion equally, but I will wait and see.

You don't defend christianity and judiaism do you?
 
AtheistWorld.Com said:


Of course I do. read my book "Christianity Exposed" :D

Or read my articles...
http://atheistworld.com/view_articles.php?s=

ROTFLMAO!

How does your foot taste?
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I don't know why don't you tell me.
I asked a question and you answered, why not blast the bible at the same time as the Quran?

That book, it hasn't even made it to the library but the xians are getting ready to burn it.

Sorry I don't go to the sites to read people stuff, I am sure I wouldn't be done reading Malachi's yet. For all I know atheist world could be a xian site.
 
Dancing David said:


For all I know atheist world could be a xian site.
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I think you have it figured out David! If "Demon Haunted World" is a skeptic/atheist book, then AtheistWorld is probably a fundy xian site!
 
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