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The Trump Presidency: Part 21

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Meadmaker said:
I don't think all of those 30% are in Trump's base. I've heard it expressed from people who aren't.

I think it's more just a reflection of overall ignorance, which can be found in people of all political persuasions, although it might be more prevalent in some than in others.

When presented with a poll, people hate saying, "I have no idea", so they pick an answer. That isn't even what they necessarily actually believe. They just pick one that sounds right, and if you've had a diet of news stories about the threat of biological weapons, and tv shows or other works of fiction describing biological weapons, then that particular "explanation" is in the front of your head. They have no information to contradict the theory, so it's perfectly plausible.

If I were talking to one of those people, I wouldn't be able to give them information to prove them wrong, so why shouldn't they believe it? I don't believe it myself, but if asked to justify that belief, all I could say is, "Well, it just sounds like a conspiracy theory, and those are always wrong."
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That's actually a reassuring thought. So they hear the question "do you believe the virus was made in a lab", and think there's an ongoing discussion about that, and they guess yes? One can hope.
 
George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare'

In the summer of 2005, President George W. Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, when he began flipping through an advance reading copy of a new book about the 1918 flu pandemic. He couldn't put it down.

When he returned to Washington, he called his top homeland security adviser into the Oval Office and gave her the galley of historian John M. Barry's "The Great Influenza," which told the chilling tale of the mysterious plague that "would kill more people than the outbreak of any other disease in human history."

"You've got to read this," Fran Townsend remembers the president telling her. "He said, 'Look, this happens every 100 years. We need a national strategy.'"
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story
 
Americans eat way too much meat already. Hopefully this will help us change our bad habits.
 
One point eight seven million tests today; so that’s one million eight hundred and seventy thousand million tests"
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Donald Trump clearly suffering from Priti Numberwang
 
thaiboxerken said:
Americans eat way too much meat already. Hopefully this will help us change our bad habits.
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I don't think that really makes a difference to many, but everyone has their own opinions.

I don't know that there are really any issues with eating meat, in general, are there? I know eating too much red meat can cause digestive problems, but I eat mostly chicken, turkey, and pork chops.
 
kookbreaker said:
One of the replies to the twitter says it is old footage from the Ebola outbreak.
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Yes. I saw that.
And that’s what made me go looking for better evidence.

The right-wing boards are exploding with all sorts of allegations against Dr. Fauci.

Our president has a backbone of overcooked pasta so I’d be surprised if Dr. F. had a federal job next Monday.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
POTUS said:
One point eight seven million tests today; so that’s one million eight hundred and seventy thousand million tests"
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Donald Trump clearly suffering from Priti Numberwang
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I think that is a reasonable number of tests in a country with a population of $350 billion.
Yes, last week, he did use dollars as a unit when talking about the US population.
 
From the old thread:

Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Having been involved in the negotiations, to put it mildly, the number that OPEC+ is looking to cut is 20 Million Barrels a day, not the 10 Million that is generally being reported. If anything near this happens, and the World gets back to business from the Covid 19.....

....disaster, the Energy Industry will be strong again, far faster than currently anticipated. Thank you to all of those who worked with me on getting this very big business back on track, in particular Russia and Saudi Arabia.
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So, let me get this straight, when your opponents decide of their own accord to stop beating up on you, that suddenly makes you "strong".

Okay, then.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
That's actually a reassuring thought. So they hear the question "do you believe the virus was made in a lab", and think there's an ongoing discussion about that, and they guess yes? One can hope.
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Or a multiple choice. Which of the following do you think is the origin of COVID19

a) lab
b) natural mutation of exising virus in humans
c) pangolins and bats
d) other
e) don't know


Nobody likes to pick e.
 
plague311 said:
We're stocking up today after work. I generally eat a low carb, high protein diet. Not having any meats would cause huge issues.
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We're running into a related problem at work. We manufacture cleaning products, disinfectants and sanitizers, and a big part of our business is chemicals for cleaning equipment in food processing plants. Food plants have an established procedure for cleaning and sanitizing their equipment, but a sanitizer for use on food contact surfaces is typically only going to be tested for efficacy against the bacteria that are an issue for food plants and will only achieve log 5 reduction (99.999%). Sanitizers use a lower level of active ingredient to ensure that any residue is below the limits set as safe for human consumption, removing the need for a post-sanitizing water rinse. A product tested against viruses and which achieves full disinfection would have to be followed with a potable water rinse of all food contact surfaces, increasing the time needed for the cleaning procedures and reducing production. The higher concentration of active ingredients needed would also make the disinfectants more expensive than the sanitizers currently being used.
 
Armitage72 said:
We're running into a related problem at work. We manufacture cleaning products, disinfectants and sanitizers, and a big part of our business is chemicals for cleaning equipment in food processing plants. Food plants have an established procedure for cleaning and sanitizing their equipment, but a sanitizer for use on food contact surfaces is typically only going to be tested for efficacy against the bacteria that are an issue for food plants and will only achieve log 5 reduction (99.999%). Sanitizers use a lower level of active ingredient to ensure that any residue is below the limits set as safe for human consumption, removing the need for a post-sanitizing water rinse. A product tested against viruses and which achieves full disinfection would have to be followed with a potable water rinse of all food contact surfaces, increasing the time needed for the cleaning procedures and reducing production. The higher concentration of active ingredients needed would also make the disinfectants more expensive than the sanitizers currently being used.
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There seems to be a broad consensus that ordinary soap kills this particular virus. That's why we're all supposed to be washing our hands for 20 seconds. Is there any reason to think commercial santizer, properly used, wouldn't have the same effect?
 
Bob001 said:
There seems to be a broad consensus that ordinary soap kills this particular virus. That's why we're all supposed to be washing our hands for 20 seconds. Is there any reason to think commercial santizer, properly used, wouldn't have the same effect?
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When there's a choice between

1) This product has documented efficacy data against bacteria, but should probably destroy the virus; and
2) This product has documented efficacy data against other enveloped viruses or more durable non-enveloped viruses, and is very likely to destroy the virus;

people are probably going to err on the side of caution and choose (2), particularly for locations like food plants or schools.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

First the Fake News Media said that it’s not fair for the President of the United States to be giving news conferences, but it is the only way I can reach the American People, as seen in the below poll.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249797383132766215/photo/1

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Such a generic poll. I wonder if that dumbass thinks that maybe people are saying they're helpful because of the professionals that speak at them? He literally thinks everything revolves around him.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

First the Fake News Media said that it’s not fair for the President of the United States to be giving news conferences, but it is the only way I can reach the American People, as seen in the below poll.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1249797383132766215/photo/1

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I've seen no such statements from the media. What I've seen is criticism of how Trump is presenting his briefings. There's been criticism of his giving false/misleading information, of turning them into grievance rants, attacks, etc., but nothing saying it's not fair to have a news conferecence.
 
Stacyhs said:
I've seen no such statements from the media. What I've seen is criticism of how Trump is presenting his briefings. There's been criticism of his giving false/misleading information, of turning them into grievance rants, attacks, etc., but nothing saying it's not fair to have a news conferecence.
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Gaslighting. Again. STILL.
 
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