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The Ten Commandments versus US law

Abdul Alhazred

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1) I am the Lord thy god, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

2) Thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

3) Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

4) Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
These clearly violate the first amendment of the US constitution.
5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
Nice thought, but law?
6) Thou shalt not murder.
Existing state law.
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
:p
8) Thou shalt not steal.

9) Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.
Existing state law.
10) Thou shalt not covet anything that belongs to thy neighbor.
There goes our whole economic system.

OK three out of ten commandments are US law.
 
It's been said before, though perhpas it needs reiterated.

If anything though, the First Ammendment has been interpreted far more strickly than it needs to be. It states that congress shall pass no law regarding the establishment of an official religion, nor any law regarding the free pratice of religion (paraphrasing, but close). The "seperation of church and state" is not actually in the constitution in those words, but is more a matter of doctrine and court precedence.

Not that I'm complaining, I just think it should be known what the document actually reads.
 
Article the third [Amendment I]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


"Separation of Church and State" is inferred from the first section by interpretation and, as you say, legal precedent.

Basically (and basically as I understand it), the first part says that the federal government is secular - it cannot force a religious context into law (as it has on several occasions nonetheless - "under god", "in god we trust", and so on). The second part says that religion, otherwise, cannot be regulated by law.

No religion in laws, no laws for religion.

That is what is termed "Separation of Church and State". There is no direct statement to this effect in the Constitution, but this is the overall interpretation of the First Amendment with respect to the relationship between religion and federal government. So, in effect, it is loosely written into the Bill of Rights (more accurately).

This is why state or local mandates allowing the Decalogue, prayers, whatnot in Federal courthouses, public schools, and any other Federal buildings can be overridden by application of this amendment. Newdow has a strong case against the "under god" inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954 since it was done through Congressional act. Despite its supposedly "secular" deity reference, it is still an invocation of religious significance in a Federal form. Uh-uh. That violates the First Amendment.

As long as ignorant people keep spouting lies about our nation as a "Christian nation" and our laws being based upon the Decalogue, and as long as our "Reborn Christian" president remains in office, I feel that we are at peril of completely losing the veracity of the First Amendment, in part or in general.

Kuroyume
 
Of course, these aren't really the Ten Commandments, but I'll play.

Abdul Alhazred said:

5) Honor thy father and thy mother.
Nice thought, but law?

It would seem to come into conflict with just about all child-protection legislation.
 
Abdul Alhazred said:

There goes our whole economic system.

OK three out of ten commandments are US law.
Of course this was all back in the days when things were much simpler don't you think? ;)
 
Upchurch said:

Things weren't simpler, they were just treated as such.
Well who's kidding who then? Were they kidding themselves about their existence or, are we kidding ourselves about it?
 

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