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The suspect always overlooked in the JFK assassination theories

arthurchappell

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Every study I have seen on who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill JFK mentions a certain 'Grassy Knoll' - why did no one ever question this Mr. Knoll? Perhaps he could shed some light on the matter.
 
Nah. Everyone knows it was a time-travelling Brit who helped the killer. And he didn't even get his Chicken Vindaloo.
 
I've never actually looked into the JFK thing. Besides from buying JFK the movie.
 
Webster Tarpley, in his book "Why I fink the world is the way I fink it is" postulates that 'grassy knoll' was in fact a CIA cover story for a cover story about CIA operative grass il bin noll, and egyptian jew from jordan, who studied french in indonesia and macrame in el salvador.

In his book "why I am better than tarpley at making stuff up, and stuff", professor david 'suga ray' griffin claims that 'grass il bin noll' was actually an fbi agent pretending to be kgb pretending to be cia, and was actually burt smith, a motor mechanic and prize winning spaghetti grower of turkey scratch, arkansas. In this scenario, burt was subject to mind control from watching tv game shows and believd himself to be the angel of death, called Brenda.

The official account has the Grassy Knoll as a small piece of land. But we all know that's just ridiculous.... and rather boring.
 
One must realize that at the time of Kennedy's unfortunate accident (for such in time, it will be revealed to be) the technologies we now have were not (generally) available.

Much of the information we have about this incident comes from FBI wiretaps from analog phone cicuits (no crsyytal$ ck;l;Aear VOOIP as we have today) and recorded on 14" 78rpm disks (thank Dog for that -- all the bits have fallen off the magnetic recordings of the time). Recent re-analysis has shown that "Grassy Knoll" was actually a reference to Oswald's bean-loving girlfriend of the time >
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Gassy Moll.:eye-poppi
 
JA_Stewart; there are a few recent threads about JFK, but the best place to read up on it is here.

The links page, towards the bottom, hints at what most of us here believe; that JFK conspiracies are just another evolution (or generation?) of the same ol' same ol'.

Stone's movie was in my opinion to JFK what Loose Change is to 9/11. (albeit presented as fiction "based on fact").
 
Every study I have seen on who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill JFK mentions a certain 'Grassy Knoll' - why did no one ever question this Mr. Knoll? Perhaps he could shed some light on the matter.

Ho, Ho. Very good! And welcome to the Forum arthurchappell. Interesting about that grassy knoll (the place, not the guy) however. While I was never a CTer about the Kennedy assassination- helps being a long time "gun nut" and student of ballistics- I'd never visited the actual site in Dealy Plaza till a few years ago. Not only is the place really small, but that "grassy knoll" is far from what you'd expect just hearing the term and not seeing it up close: A small raised spot with a low fence at the back upon which stood a lot of bystanders that day in 1963. Any shooter would have been just a few feet from dozens of people. And rounds he might have fired that location would have hit the Presidential limousine.

I'd guess a lot of Kennedy assassination CTers, particularly the younger ones, have never seen that "grassy knoll" in person. (Can't comment on Mr. Grassy Knoll- HE might well be in on it....)
 
Interestingly enough, there is a JFK story in the National Post today. A former Montreal lawyer donated numerous documents to the national archives many years ago, and apparently some of them may shed some light on the JFK assassination story. Mr. Bloomfield instructed that public access to the documents was not to be made until 20 years after his death. Well, those 20 years have passed but his widow then sought to have the time for non-disclosure extended to 25 years after her death.

A researcher who wanted access to the documents brought the matter to court, and won when the court ordered that the institution could not arbitrarily extend the time period far beyond what Mr. Bloomfield himself requested, and now the institution is determining when they will be released.



JFK confidential?

A Montrealer's private documents may shed light on one of the great mysteries of our time--if they can be released

Elizabeth Thompson in Ottawa, CanWest News Service
Published: Saturday, January 27, 2007

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=0da15555-6043-403e-9221-ccfa2d53d939

Does the key to former U.S. President John F. Kennedy's assassination lie buried in Canada's national archives? Or is it another secret that has pitted Montreal researcher Maurice Philipps against Library and Archives Canada and the widow of a prominent former Montreal lawyer, the late Louis Mortimer Bloomfield.

One thing is certain: Whatever Mr. Bloomfield's widow is trying to keep under lock and key out of concern for "privacy and the reputation of Louis M. Bloomfield," it has left Canada's national archives wrestling with a dilemma that goes to the heart of the question of who controls access to private documents donated to the federal government.

A recent Federal Court ruling found the institution cannot arbitrarily extend the restriction on access to Mr. Bloomfield's papers well past the original deadline set by the man himself. Now, archive officials are struggling to decide when to lift the veil of secrecy on papers that have been judged of exceptional interest to Canada.

"We are in the process of reviewing the whole issue, and upon having completed that review we will make it known," Francois Gagnon, spokesman for Library and Archives Canada, said yesterday.

Mr. Gagnon could not say how long that review is expected to take.

Mr. Bloomfield's nephew says he sees no reason to keep the papers shielded from public view. Montrealer Harry Bloomfield says the fight to keep his uncle's papers behind a veil of secrecy is likely fuelling conspiracy theories tying Mr. Bloomfield to JFK's assassination -- theories that he says are completely unfounded.

At the centre of the controversy are 31 boxes of documents Mr. Bloomfield, a well-known lawyer who specialized in international law and was a pillar of a number of Montreal charities, donated to the archives a few years before his death in 1984.

In addition to correspondence with a number of prominent Canadian politicians and with George Bush Sr., the collection includes documents relating to a variety of charities in which Mr. Bloomfield was active, cases in which he was involved and papers related to some of his notable clients.

The one condition Mr. Bloomfield placed on the donation was that public access to the papers would be restricted for 20 years after his death. Members of the public who wanted to consult the Bloomfield Collection would have to obtain the permission of Mr. Bloomfield's widow, Justine Stern Bloomfield Cartier.

Mr. Philipps, author of the book De Dallas aMontreal (From Dallas to Montreal), which explores a possible Montreal connection to JFK's 1963 assassination in Dallas, stumbled on a reference to the Bloomfield connection in the mid-1990s and was intrigued -- particularly given allegations advanced by some JFK conspiracy theorists that tied Mr. Bloomfield to the shooting, a shadowy international company called Permindex, the CIA and the agency that preceded it, the OSS.

While the conspiracy theory connection between Mr. Bloomfield and JFK's assassination is a complex one and has evolved over time, it appears to stem from the fact that he was named as a major shareholder in Permindex. There are allegations that Permindex was a front or shell company for the CIA and was used to funnel money for intelligence operations.

While Mr. Philipps does not believe the papers implicate Mr. Bloomfield in the shooting -- in fact, he thinks they may clear Mr. Bloomfield's name -- he says they might contain clues that could help shed light on JFK's assassination.

In 2004, however, just as the 20-year restriction was coming to an end and Mr. Philipps applied in writing for access to the collection, he was told the archives had extended the restriction on access at the request of Mrs. Bloomfield, who was still alive, until 25 years after her death.

When chief archivist Ian Wilson rejected his request to review the decision, Mr. Philipps took his case to court, saying the archives should respect Mr. Bloomfield's own wishes for a 20-year delay.

Lawyers for the archives argued the terms of Mr. Bloomfield's donation allowed his widow to extend the length of the restriction.

In his ruling, rendered in November and made public this month, Judge Simon Noel ruled that the donor's original wishes should be taken into account and the archives' view that Mr. Bloomfield's widow had a right to revise the terms of the restriction on his papers was an error in law. He ordered the archives to review the decision.
 
Nah. Everyone knows it was a time-travelling Brit who helped the killer. And he didn't even get his Chicken Vindaloo

It must have been a killing field out there. Some digruntled British time travlers on the grass knoll, Oswarld in the building. And Cancer man from X files down in a drain
 
Every study I have seen on who helped Lee Harvey Oswald kill JFK mentions a certain 'Grassy Knoll' - why did no one ever question this Mr. Knoll? Perhaps he could shed some light on the matter.
Thanks Art, just thanks. Holy friggin' Toledo. I was two thirds of the way through my book on the Grassy Knoll and you blew my cover. If you would have just PM'd me or something, I'd have offered you 15% of the proceeds to keep mum about said Knoll. Darn. Like REALLY darn!

All right I might as well break the rest of the story. There's this guy, Horatio McWhifferkugel, who does impressions but not like Rich Little. He does natural formations and various interior settings. Maybe you saw him on the Johnny Carson show way back when? Or not. Johnny complained the whole episode because Horatio never showed up. Yes he did. He was the NBC Tonight Show set that whole night. Guy's amazing. You should see his Grand Canyon. Occasionally he'll do Niagara Falls - Canada and the USA will contract him out when they have to shut the real Falls down but they don't want to disrupt the tourist trade.

Anyway that was Horatio in Dealey Plaza on that day. He stretched out as a grassy knoll, fired up a smokerino (the "puff of smoke" controversy now solved) and figured on watching the motorcade go by. Somebody emptied out their pipe on him, he sneezed, that flipped Kennedy's limo and caused everything bad to happen. Canada and the USA, needing him for continued Niagara Falls work, covered for him. They "patsied" in Oswald and Ruby and the rest, as they say, is Oliver Stone history.

I don't know where Horatio is now, but I did see Meteor Crater in Arizona a few years ago ... and I could have sworn I saw its lips move...
 
Jason Bermas had the creator of yet another JFK film on his show today, John Hankey. The interview was quite wide-ranging, and at one point Hankey gave us some interesting factoids like that a Rockefeller was giving out paychecks to the Auschwitz prison guards and that there are no documents signed by Hitler ordering the Holocaust.

:rolleyes:
 
Jason Bermas had the creator of yet another JFK film on his show today, John Hankey. The interview was quite wide-ranging, and at one point Hankey gave us some interesting factoids like that a Rockefeller was giving out paychecks to the Auschwitz prison guards and that there are no documents signed by Hitler ordering the Holocaust.

:rolleyes:

Is that the famous Mr Hankey? The christmas poo?
 
I think my Grassy Knoll theory may have opened a whole can of worms as several men in dark suits and sunglasses have arrived wanting to know who told me this - they promise that if I talk more on the subject they'll get me a pair of concrete boots and give me swimming lessons - I can actually swim, but the new shoes would be nice. The suggestion is that the knoll was just a hillock, (not a pillock). There is now a rather unusual theory that is gaining some attention - ie, lee harvey Oswald did it, on his own. This is as patently absurd as claiming that the Titanic sank because it crashed into an iceberg. We must try harder. As Sherlock Holmes said, 'Once we have illiminated the credible and remotely logical, whatever remains, no matter how stupid, must be the truth.' (Something like that anyway). AC
 
Troll

It was a troll--a shape-changing interdimensional troll taking the form of a grassy knoll. This is mainstream news.
 
My theory...

Elvis did it.

Ever seen him and JFK photographed together? We saw Elvis photographed with Nixon, but not with JFK.

And that photo of Nixon is probably him rewarding Elvis on behalf of the Trilateral Commission for whacking Kennedy. :D
 
Elvis did it.

Ever seen him and JFK photographed together? We saw Elvis photographed with Nixon, but not with JFK.

And that photo of Nixon is probably him rewarding Elvis on behalf of the Trilateral Commission for whacking Kennedy. :D

Hmmmmm and in "The Usual Suspects" McManus says "Elvis has left the building" after picking off the targets with his sniper rifle......

.... another hint by hollywood?

:eek:
 
I know a Patsie Knoll but not a Grassy Knoll...maybe they are related.
 

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