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The Space Hoax That Time Forgot

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The claim that the lunar landing in 1969 was a hoax has been widely circulated, in books, movies, tabloid articles and Foxumentaries. It has been a good staple for mystery-mongers and conspiracy theorists. Less well-known, however -- and less commercially successful -- was an earlier allegation of space program fraudulence.

In April 1961 the Soviet Union stunned the world with the announcement that it had successfully put a person, Yuri Gagarin, into orbit. The idea that the Soviets had beaten the US in this phase of the space race was difficult for some to accept -- and, consequently, some didn't. William F. Buckley's National Review published two full-page articles (as well as some letters from readers) alleging that the Soviet claim to have put a man into space was a Communist hoax.

The first of these items appeared on page 6 of the May 27, 1961 National Review Bulletin (a supplement to National Review). It is by M. Stanton Evans, a frequent NR contributor:
...did [Yuri] Gagarin actually go into space, or was his much-publicized flight simply a Soviet hoax?...

...a growing community of skeptics
[sic] ... have raised questions about Gagarin...

...Few claims to major achievement, in space or on earth, have been so shot through with contradiction. The Communists couldn't get straight when their space man had been launched, when he had returned, whether his spaceship was equipped with "portholes", or how he made it back to earth.

... Rep. [James] Fulton, whose views carry some weight because he is the ranking minority member of the House Space Committee, says the Soviets, in his estimation, "have not proved" Gagarin went into orbit. Rep [Roman] Pucinski believes the various discrepancies indicate the Soviet claim may be a "monumental hoax." Rep [Donald] Bruce notes that Moscow was fully prepared with printed biographies of Gagarin, stamps bearing his visage, and commemorative poems, before the alleged flight was even announced.

... A final minor, but thoroughly typical, discrepancy concerns the small matter of Gagarin's hat. The original photographs show him wearing a leather flying helment similar to that worn by Charles Lindbergh back in 1927. The AP wirephoto mentioned above shows Gagarin clothed in this obsolete headgear. That no "cosmonaut" would go into space wearing anything of the sort was immediately apparent to anyone even remotely acquainted with the sealed, pressurized helmet-and-suit combinations developed in America's own space program.
A week later, in the June 3 National Review, page 359, Buckley published two letters from readers expressing similar views.

One reader wrote that the Russian's "celebrated hoax of April 12 has largely exploded", and compared it to "Jules Verne's decorous astronauts and -- even better -- to Edgar Allan Poe's Hans Pfall, who sailed to the moon in a balloon. Space travelers of that day went much farther than ours go, and their adventures were more real."

Another reader wrote that:
It wouild not surprise me in the least if Cosmonaut Gagarin received his training at the Stanislavski school. We are asked to believe that a man has returned from a complete conspectus of the globe at a height of 140 miles or whatever, without having taken any photographs. From which I conclude either (1) that Russian cameras have not been carried to the perfection of Russian rockets, or (2) that the labs where the moon shots were processed considered earth photos too risky to fake...

Someone should arrange to have this question sprung at JFK's next press conference. Until I see a color photo of the globe, with certification that its cloud masses correspond with known U.S. weather data, I'm just going to be paradogmatic about this.

... [Believers may point out that] the shot took place during Russian daylight, since Gaga reported discerning the contours of the collective farms. Therefore the US side was in darkness. To which I reply, and was that the reason why it was arranged for Comrade Gaga to stay aloft for only one orbit of 90 minutes or so? To give a plausible reason for not presenting the Yankee Imperialists with a People's Photo of their homeland?...

Anyhow, very odd that no press account seen by me has even mentioned the existence or non-existence of photos...
In the October 21, 1961, issue of National Review, page 260, Buckley published another full-page article on the matter, again by M. Stanton Evans:
Soviet Space Claims Questioned

Despite official acceptance of Soviet claims to mastery in space, unofficial doubts persist. In particular, several journalists and space authorities question the assertion that Moscow's cosmonauts, Yuri Gagarin and Gherman Titov, actually performed their celebrated flights around the globe.

Discrepancies in Moscow's account of both events are legion. Both Gagarin and Titov reported observations from their orbiting vehicles which are, by unanimous consent, impossible; both professed physiological reactions at variance with what is known about space flight; ... and both men were photographed in "space" costumes oddly reminiscent of the gear worn by Charles Lindbergh. Moscow, moreover, couldn't get its facts straight on whether Gagarin came down in his vehicle or parachuted out of it, or whether his Vostok I had portholes or did not.

Unquestionably the most damaging of these confusions is the Gagarin-Titov version of what can be seen at heights of 100 miles or more. "During the flight," Gagarin said, "I saw the earth from a great height. I could see the seas, the mountains, big cities, rivers, and forests." And: "While flying over Soviet territory, I saw perfectly great squares of collective farms. Itr was possible to distinguish between plowed land and grass land." Titov reported similar observations...

These observations are infinitely more detailed than those reported by US astronaut Alan Shepard, and by American test pilot Joe Walker... How could Gagarin and Titov see things more clearly than Walker, spinning around the world at much greater speed and altitudes?...

As for the physiological details, aviation editor Peter Reich of Chicago's American lists a half-dozen discrepancies in the reactions reported by Gagarin. Of the claim that Gagarin sang a patriotic ballad during re-entry to the atmostphere, REich says. "This writer experienced about 5 1/2 Gs (forces of gravity) in a jet fighter, and my chest felt as though it were caving in. Estimates are that during re-entry, a spaceman coming back from orbit will experience from ten to twenty Gs -- hardly a state in which to sing." Titov said he slept soundly for eight of his 25-hours in orbit, a dubious claim on the face of it, and one contested by a Chicago psychiatrist, a specialist in the psychology of sleep, who said, "I find this almost impossible to believe... [Titov] would be much too tense, too anxious, for sleep to be possible." Titov's assertions that he had a generally rollicking time while in orbit are contradicted by Moscow's own scientists, who say he was the victim of "nausea" and "disorientation"...

... Despite all these contradictions, and despite the fact that no non-Soviet observer has confirmed any of the material details concerning launch and recovery, the Federation Aeronautique Internationale, July 22, accepted Moscow's claim to have orbited Gagarin...

In sum, there is little evidence that either Gagarin or Titov performed the wonders asserted by the Kremlin...
 
I've always thought it would be fascinating to explore the question of whether the Soviets faked some of their earlier flights. I was aware that some people were saying that the cosmonauts' reports were suspect, but I was not aware that there were contemporary published challenges to the Soviet claims.

It was clear that the Soviets were the first to put objects into orbit and the Soviets were responsible for a number of space "firsts." "First man to orbit the Earth" seemed to be just one of several achievements. If the others weren't faked (e.g., Sputnik's orbit, Leonov's space walk), why would the Soviets fake Gagarin's flight?
 
Once I saw something on sputick in a museum that said it broadcast a signal. The museum display even had a recording of the signal (just a beep beep). If this is true, then USSR did have a verifiable accomplishment with that.

BUT if sputnik had a signal that anyone could detect to verify it, why wouldn't there have been such a signal on the manned flight? If there wasn't, that seems suspicious. Or was the manned flight up there for less time?

But I'm basing all this on something about a signal in a museum piece I might have seen as a teenager. :)
 
uneasy said:
Once I saw something on sputick in a museum that said it broadcast a signal. The museum display even had a recording of the signal (just a beep beep). If this is true, then USSR did have a verifiable accomplishment with that.
Many folks in the USA saw Sputnik. I understand that some of them also received the "beep beep" on their receivers. There was no question that the Soviets orbited something.

The Soviets had some failures in their space program. They hushed up the failures and trumpeted the successes. It's a good bet that the Soviets were actually trying to put a person in orbit, and that they would not have announced the attempt if it had been a failure.
 
The reason why this story isn't plausible is the same reason that IMHO effectively holes the story of the moon landing hoax.

A lot of people had tracking equipment back then, i have talked with old radio amateurs that used to listen to Sputnik and use the doppler effect to trace it. The Americans definitely had that equipment, they knew Gagarin was up there and IF the transmission had come from anywhere else than space you can bet the Americans would have raised a fuss, don't forget that Krustjhof was scolding them badly then for America's lack of abilities in space.

Similar, when Armstrong landed on the Moon the Russians had a lot of tracking equipment and weren't exactly friends with USA. Is there really anybody that think the Russians would have kept quiet? If they discovered (which they could very easily) that Armstrongs radio transmissions was not coming from the moon there is NO F**** WAY they would have kept quiet.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
uneasy said:
Once I saw something on sputick in a museum that said it broadcast a signal. The museum display even had a recording of the signal (just a beep beep). If this is true, then USSR did have a verifiable accomplishment with that.

BUT if sputnik had a signal that anyone could detect to verify it, why wouldn't there have been such a signal on the manned flight? If there wasn't, that seems suspicious. Or was the manned flight up there for less time?

But I'm basing all this on something about a signal in a museum piece I might have seen as a teenager. :)

All that the signal would have verified was that they had sent another craft into space, not that is was manned. As the fact they could send unmanned craft appears not to be in dispute, such a signal would be irrelevant.
 
All that the signal would have verified was that they had sent another craft into space, not that is was manned. As the fact they could send unmanned craft appears not to be in dispute, such a signal would be irrelevant.

True but there was also sent some (Very crude) tv pictures from Gagarin's capsule. They COULD have used the craft as a repeater but still.

Seriously, there is noone that doubts that they had the lifting capability (to put a man in space) and i really can't see any reason for them to fake. They was willing to take risks far above them taken by USA. Leonov's space walk f.inst. really was horribly dangerous and they was damned lucky to pull it off. Later they made the first 3 man capsule by simply adding another seat to a two man capsule. It meant that there was not enough room for the kosmonauts to wear space suits and ultimately it cost the lives of tre cosmonauts that died when the cabin pressure was lost during re-entry.

AND there was virtually no risk to the managment. They didn't have a congress to cut their funds and they didn't have a free press to broadcast their failures. They did have a regime that would send them to Siberia if they didn't send a man in space but that regime really didn't care if it cost some lives.
 
Brown said:
Many folks in the USA saw Sputnik. I understand that some of them also received the "beep beep" on their receivers.

By the way, there's an old cocktail named "Sputnik" dating from those days. The ingredients:

1. A glass full of water.
2. A bottle of vodka.

The correct way to enjoy it is to:

1. Drink glass half empty
2. Fill it with vodka
3. Repeat until the world starts to orbit you and all you hear is "beep beep".
 
(For the record, I think they did it.)

Two asides...

Anyone see that TV special on the TechTV cable channel called Secrets of the Soviet Space Program or something like that. It was kind of over the top, but it showed some examples of things the Soviets kept quiet.

And what is that movie where the guy says there were more men in space earlier, but they couldn't hold their breath long enough? Hunt for Red October? I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed there were earlier men who died in the attempt, but it hasn't come out yet, so I doubt it.
 
uneasy said:
(For the record, I think they did it.)
And what is that movie where the guy says there were more men in space earlier, but they couldn't hold their breath long enough? Hunt for Red October? I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed there were earlier men who died in the attempt, but it hasn't come out yet, so I doubt it.

THere's been rumors about that for a while.
 
When reading these reports two words immediately came to mind

"sour" and "grapes"
 
Something I found amusing about the National Review items (in a "laugh so that one does not weep" sort of way) was how flimsy the reasons were that the NR writer gave (and that NR readers were willing to accept) for believing the Soviet space shot was a hoax.

"Few claims to major achievement... have been so shot through with contradiction." This struck me as hilarious when I read it. I can think of many claims, then and now, that are shot through with more and better contradictions.

There is no claim that cannot be made to look fraudulent by a determined (and sufficiently gifted) mystery-monger. There are always going to be apparent discrepancies and seeming contradictions that can be brought out, spotlighted and magnified, even in claims which turn out to be true (such as the Soviet claim).

Look at what Evans came up with! The Soviet claim must be fraudulent because:

(a) The Soviets announced to the world that Gagarin was in orbit while the spaceflight was still in progress. Damned if you do, damned if you don't! If the Soviets had waited until after Gagarin was down, that would probably have been taken as proof of fraud as well.

(b) The Soviets prepared press releases, stamps, commemorative poetry, etc., before the space flight actually took place.

(c) A Soviet astronaut claimed to have seen the lights of cities, and Soviet collective farms, during his flight.

(d) The Soviets said Gagarin parachuted down, but an AP photo shows him walking down a ladder. (I guess the idea that a news photographer might ask someone to pose for an action shot, such as walking down a ladder, was too far-fetched to be given serious consideration.)

(e) The photo also shows him wearing a leather flying helmet that conjured up memories of Charles Lindbergh. Ditto

(f) A Soviet astronaut claimed he sang a song praising the USSR as he returned to earth.

(g) An astronaut claimed he slept for 8 of the 25 hours he was in orbit.

(h) An astronaut transmitted generally positive messages during the flight, rather than transmitting downbeat messages about having nausea, etc., (and therefore clearly wasn't telling the truth).

(i) The reports by the Soviets about the flight were not 100% consistent -- one source, for instance, estimated the spacecraft was over South America 15 minutes after launching, while another put it at 45 minutes.

This is the best that National Review's writer could come up with? It reads to me more like what a Mad magazine writer might come up with as an illustration of the absurd lengths some people will go to dismiss things they don't want to believe in.

One of my reasons for posting the NR material (apart from finding it amusing and thinking others might as well) was to illustrate the difference between hostility to a claim and skepticism. The two are often confused. (The author of the NR article, for example, referred to supporters of his view as "skeptics". I tagged that with a [sic] when quoting it, to indicate I thought Evans and co. were actually being quite non-skeptical.)

I think of skepticism as open-minded scrutiny of claims. The aim is to weigh evidence fairly and carefully, setting aside things of little substance and giving more attention to things of greater substance. Both credulity and hostility differ from skepticism in that they lead to a biased weighing. Those who are credulous rather than skeptical tend to give too much weight to evidence with little substance (hearsay reports; unblinded, uncontrolled studies; etc) because it supports the conclusion they would like to reach, while rejecting evidence with greater substance because it contradicts the conclusion they would like to reach. Those who are hostile rather than skeptical, as the NR items illustrate, tend to do the same thing.
 
This is all very interesting.
Many folks in the USA saw Sputnik
I clearly remember standing in the back yard of our house in Michigan and watching Sputnik pass overhead. It was a point of light that moved steadily across the sky just at the end of twilight. I seem to recall it being in polar orbit.

I was 10 years old and remember the adults being very nervous about the whole thing. I thought it was cool!
 
I will be back shortly with Part 2 of "Space Hoax." Yes, there is a sequel -- another alleged space "hoax" you may not be aware of!

In the meantime, those of you interested in this subject (political ideology overriding common sense in otherwise intelligent people) might be interested in a tangentially related item, also from National Review, which I am posting over in the Science area in hopes of finding out more about it.
originally published in National Review, August 1, 1959:

There is a foolproof means to explode a nuclear bomb which could not be detected by any inspection system yet devised. According to scientist Francis B Porzel, director of a series of eight Nevada atomic tests and senior scientific advisor at the Armour Research Foundation ... an undetected nuclear explosion [can] be detonated within a few feet of an unknowing individual ..."
 
The Space Hoax That Time Forgot, Part 2

In 1961 National Review dismissed Soviet claims to have put astronauts into an orbit as a hoax, based on extremely flimsy reasons -- a good example of hostility over-riding critical thinking.

After posting information about that at the start of this thread, I came across an earlier claimed Soviet space accomplishment -- launching a space vehicle that orbited the moon and took pictures of it -- which was similarly brushed aside by NR as a hoax.

(Both articles are by the same author.)
originally published in National Review. October 24, 1959, pages 421 to 424

The Emperor's New Lunik by M. Stanton Evans

Could the saga of Luniks I, II, and II be the outstanding scientific hoax of the generation? Consider these contradictions in Soviet claims.

On October 4, 1959, the Soviet Union announced that it had launched a revolutionary new space vehicle that would loop around the moon, photograph its hidden side, and return to circle the earth in a huge, oblong orbit. The vehicle was called Lunik III.

Within hours of the announcement, the free world had greeted the feat with all the tribute it could muster from the generous vocabulary of sportsmanship. Comment by a British astronomer named Patrick Moore suggested that the Good Losers of the West could even force themselves to be downright enthusiastic about the deeds of the enemy. "We've simply got to hand it to the Russians," Moore was quoted. "This should surely dispose of any allegations that Lunik II, which crash-landed on the moon, was a fake."

Lunik III, however, turns out to be a less definitive achievement than Moore and other sportsmen have been willing to allow. Far from laying to rest all doubts about the authenticity of Lunik II, the third moon shot stirs up some questions on its own account.
This is a 4-page article. I wish I could provide a link so people could read the whole thing for themselves, or even simply reproduce all the text related to the "contradictions" and "discrepancies" that led Evans to conclude this was a Soviet hoax, but that is just too much typing and too much space, so I'm going to try to excerpt/summarize the key bits. Stanton's text is in blue, NR's headings are in bold black, and my paraphrases are in unbolded black (and in brackets). I've tried to be fair, but since most of the persuasive power is in Evans' style rather than substance, a lot is lost in my summaries.
... Lunik III is said to be "proved" by radio signals received by Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope in England. But a key matter has yet to be settled: how does Jodrell Bank -- and, by extension, anyone else -- know that the signals being received were from a rocket heading for the moon?...

[Evans spends half a page on the following:
(a) An LA laboratory had trouble plotting Lunik's orbit from the radio signals.
(b) Jodrell Bank couldn't measure the "doppler shift".
(c) Jodrell Bank didn't measure the intensity of the signal.]
Wow! I find that pretty unimpressive. But the smooth flow of the words, and the length at which he goes on, makes it appear as if he is giving significant reasons to believe it's a hoax.
... Richard Booton, the man responsible for reducing Jodrell Bank's signals to "proof" of the Soviet claim, stated that once a Lunik is "up in the air," we "don't know anything."
I'd love to see this quote in full! It sounds similar to the way some creationists and paranormalists take quotes out of context to make it sound as if scientists admit they don't know anything about their pet subject.
Lloyd Mallan's Investigation

The strange saga of the Luniks properly begins with a science writer named Lloyd Mallan, who took an extensive tour through the Soviet Union last year, and returned to America convinced the Communists were several decades behind this country in scientific and miliitary development.

When Lunik I was announced on January 2 of this year, Mallan conducted a thorough personal investigation...

Mallan thereupon charged that Lunik I was a hoax -- an allegation he made in True magazine, before a congressional committe, and in a book called Russia and the Big Red Lie...

In no instance to date has anyone been able to explain away the facts that Mallan has assembled, or been able scientifically to challenge his interpretation of them...
True, as I recall, was a "men's adventure magazine, " mainly noted for tales of hunting, fishing, fighting commies, etc. It probably was not the first choice magazine for people looking to get a scholarly article published.

I am not sure if True is available in microfilm or bound volume at any library I am likely to visit this year, but I will keep an eye out for it.
Radio Signals

[Evans doubts that 160 minutes was enough time for Jodrell Bank to establish where the signals were coming from, and doubts the signals the US tracking station picked up could have been from Lunik.]

Other aspects of the alleged launching have been just as confused as the matter of the radio signals:

1. The Soviets said Lunik III was an "automatic interplanetary space station." This drew an almost immediate rebuke from Dr. Fred L. Whipple ... "I suspect," he said, "they are using a fancy term to give people the impression they have something they do not."


[2. Tass, the Moscow Planetarium, and a couple of Soviet scientists gave different estimates of how long it would take Lunik III to reach the moon.

3. Two Soviet statements had estimates of how close the rocket would come to the moon.

4. Tass and the Moscow Planetarium did not agree precisely on where Lunik would be at particular moments.

5. The estimates of how close Lunik would be to Earth when it settled into orbit did not agree.

6. Some reports said the radio signal would sound like a honk, others said it would sound like a violin.

7. Soviet reports were unclear about the rocket's guidance system.]

8. The Soviets even managed to muddle the question of whether the rocket was going to circle the moon... On October 7, the director of Russia's most important Sternberg Astronomical Institute was reported as saying that "the rocket's flight behind the moon might not include a complete turn."

[9. The Soviets weren't sure if Lunik would succeed in taking pictures of the unseen side of the moon.]
Evans spent a page on that! Going on at such length gives a surface appearance that he's building a real case, but when one tries to summarize it the lack of real substance becomes obvious.

I especially liked reason # 1: that the Soviets calling Lunik an "automatic interplanetary space station" was grounds for suspecting this was a hoax.
...None of the Soviets' claimed exploits has produced any kind of data which are probably the result of a real venture into space. Their "findings" are almost invariably: (1) results "in good agreement" with those reached by American or other free world scientists (i.e. saying the same thing); (2) information which could easily be derived from laboratory tests; and (3) disclosures so vague as to be meaningless.

The Communist habit of seconding American findings was at last broken in the case of Lunik II... In the course of hitting the moon, the Soviets said, they discovered -- in so far as their instruments could determine -- that the moon had no magnetic field. The announcement, however, omitted to say how sensitive the Soviets' instruments were...

In short, the Soviets could quiet easily have issued their statement on the likelihood -- attested to by a number of authorities -- that the moon has no magnetic field, and still leave themselves a perfect alibi in the event that the probabilities -- and their scientific "discovery" -- were proved in error. They could simply say, our instruments weren't sensitive enough to pick it up. And there need have been no instruments, or moon rockets, to begin with.
Cute!

If the Soviet findings matched US ones, that indicated the Soviets were simply copying, and hence was indicative of a hoax.

If the Soviet discovered something that the US hadn't found yet, but it was what previous discoveries had led us to suspect was true, that indicated the Soviets were simply guessing, and hence was evidence of a hoax.

(And if the Soviets had discovered something before the US did, and which previous discoveries had not led the US to expect? Why, that would have indicated the Soviet discovery was false, and thus been even stronger evidence of a hoax!)
Major Discrepancies

Evans next recaps "a dozen major discrepancies" about Lunik II which he had previously listed in an item in the October 3, 1959, issue of National Review Bulletin, which I do not yet have. He attributes these mainly to Lloyd Mallan and to "hints... circulated in the press generally."

1. Lunik was announced at a bad time of the month for a moon shot.
2. The announcement of the moon shot coincided with a visit by Kruschev to the US, indicating the Soviets had planned the timing of the announcement.
3.Moscow predicted the moon shot's trajectory, but] the margin of error in available scientific knowledge on the moon's mass and gravity would make such accurate prediction impossible.
4. East Germany also made a media announcement of the moon shot, but their announcement came out before the Soviet one did. (Evans fails to say how much earlier.)
5.A Massachusetts radar installation failed to track Lunik.
6. Some stations were unable to pick up the Lunik II radio signals at all, but Jodrell Bank (which had been given the coordinates) was able to pick the signals up] exceptionally (I might say suspiciously) loud and clear.
Had to quote Evans directly on that bit! I love it -- the fact the radio signal came in clearly is evidence of a hoax.
7. Jodrell Bank was able to pick up the Lunik II radio signals (for which they had been given the coordinates to point their satellite) but they had been unable to pick up the signals for Lunik I (for which they had not been given coordinates).
8. The positions wired to Jodrell Bank were given in terms of "azimuth and elevation" (earth-sky coordinates) rather than "right ascension and declination" (space coordinates)...
[9 and 10. The radio signals are alleged to have come from slightly east or slightly west of the moon] ... which means they could not have been coming from a vehicle on its way to intercept the moon.
[11. The signal strength did not diminish steadily.]
12. Jodrell Bank did not have the exact original frequencies of the Soviet space-radio transmitter with which to compare a so-called "doppler shift" at the end of a moon trip [and so it would have been easy for the Russians to have faked this bit of evidence.]
The article goes on for another page with 2 more sections, "Transatlantic Phone Calls" and "Odd Contradictions", but there is little of substance in these. Mostly Evans talks about trying to call up various scientists and not being happy with the answers he got or the way he was treated.

He then concludes:
The story of Luniks II and III... is primarily one of uncritical acceptance of Soviet representations about what they had done... JOdrell Bank got its signals by pointint its antenna in accordance with Communist instructions; it did not measure the signals for intensity; Dr. Lovell never paused to think about which side of the moon the signals were coming from; and finally, Jodrell Bank had no exact frequencies for measuring the so-called "doppler shift" in the signal, which has been everywhere cited as incontrovertible proof that Lunik II hit the moon.

It is up to those who would have us accept Soviet claims to resolve this mass of contradiction and plain error into a scientific demonstration. Until some such feat of reconciliation occurs, the Soviet luniks must be considered unproved.
 
In posting this material, I'm not trying to pick on National Review

Hmmm. Well, actually, I am. I think their ideology led them astray on a lot of matters. I think their hostility to the Soviet Union led them to misjudge things badly relating to the Soviet space program, just as their hostility to the civil rights movement and other liberal causes led them to misjudge things badly relating to those issues.

But I'm not trying to single out NR. I just happened to find these items while looking up other stuff, and thought it was interesting -- not only because it presented a now-humorous example of bad reasoning, but also because I think it illustrates an interesting challenge for skeptics.

While in hindsight we know Evans was wrong on this matter, and that the Soviet space program was not the hoax Evans believed it to be, things were not so clear or simple at the time. I think Evans and others were right to raise and consider the possibility that the Soviets were lying about this.

In those days the Soviets were dreadful liars! As a matter of national pride, they claimed to have invented virtually everything, from toothpaste to televisions. ( Or so I have been told, and continue to believe. ) That their space accomplishments might be a hoax, while an extraordinary claim, was by no means out of the question.

As it turned out, they were telling the truth about having put a satellite into orbit in 1957, about having sent up rockets to photograph the moon in 1959, and about having put people into orbit in 1961. But these, too, were extraordinary claims. It would have been just as wrong to blindly accept these things as true as it was to blindly accept that these things were a hoax.

While Evans was wrong in the specific arguments he made, wrong in the way he weighed the evidence, and wrong in the conclusions he reached, in his mind he was the reasonable skeptic and it was the people who accepted Soviet claims who were the uncritical woo woos.

A question I would like to pose for people to think about is, "How do you think a good skeptic should have reacted to the announcements in 1959 about the Luniks and the announcements in 1961 about the Soviets having sent people into orbit?"

It's easy to justify drawing the right conclusions after one knows what the right conclusions are. It is not so easy when the matter is still in doubt -- as, for example, the question of global climate change nowadays, which has people who sincerely believe themselves to be skeptics on both sides of the issue.

I have some thoughts, but I'll save them for a future post.
 
I agree, it really sounds like sour grapes and for no apparent reason i mean, who cares who was the first in space? You guys was the first on the moon, right? ;)
 
Nova Land said:
In posting this material, I'm not trying to pick on National Review

Hmmm. Well, actually, I am. I think their ideology led them astray on a lot of matters.

:D :D :roll:

This has to be the understatement of the (short) year, so far.

How 'bout more conspiracy fodder? You'd think the US govt would have had a good incentive to expose any of these hoaxes. Unless.... :shifty eyes: (fill in the blank)
 

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