The SNP goes to the dark side

[Giz]

A quote from a Harry's Place article:

According to this paper, written by Qaradawi, the beating of wives is acceptable. And here, Qaradawi writes that western tolerance of homosexuality “put man in a position even worse than animals” and suggests that capital punishment is an appropriate response to homosexuality.

But, according to Osama Saeed, who leads the Scottish Islamic Foundation, Qaradawi is an “eminent scholar”. Saeed has complained that the BBC accurately reported Qaradawi’s relelant views of violence against women and homosexuals.

Oh, and did I mention that Saeed was last week formally endorsed as a parliamentary candidate for the nationalists in Scotland?

In doing so, the nationalists have become the first “mainstream” party in the United Kingdom to endorse an Islamist candidate.

Saeed, a former aide to Scotland’s First Minister Alex Salmond, and whose organisation was given £400,000 of public money by Salmond shortly after it was set up, subscribes to the fundamental principle of Islamists throughout the world: the re-establishment of a worldwide caliphate.

Why has a party which has made such strides in establishing its “moderate” credentials allowed itself to become the only party in the country trying to elect an Islamist to parliament?

http://www.hurryupharry.org/index.php?s=Osama+Saeed&x=7&y=12



Why indeed? Do any SNP supporters here care to defend the conduct of the SNP in:
1) Funding an extremist group as opposed to moderate muslim groups
2) Selecting a pro-terrorist, pro-caliphate, anti free speech, pro wife beating candidate
Is it cynicism about what they think will appeal to the average scottish muslim, or do they neither know nor care?

 

[funk de fino]

Are you scottish?

 

[Giz]

Are you scottish?

Are only true Scotsmen allowed to question the SNP?

What proof should I supply?

 

[uk_dave]

A sporran?

 

[Darat]

That article seems to be guilty of "guilt by association"? I don't see anything that says that Saeed supports or advocates the revolting views of Qaradawi? I could say that Thatcher was a great scholar without ever agreeing with anything she said.

 

[dahduh]

Are only true Scotsmen allowed to question the SNP?

There is no true Scotsman.

 

[funk de fino]

Are only true Scotsmen allowed to question the SNP?

What proof should I supply?

I'm just asking. Why the defensiveness? The fact yoiu are or are not may reveal more about your reasons for posting this.

I looked at the site you linked and it is a cesspit of bigotry.

 

[mummymonkey]

I don't know what the background of this fellow is but the SNP aren't daft. Anyway Salmond has been wooing the catholic vote recently so it's no surprise he's after the muslim vote also.

 

[Cleon]

Given that Rolfe is a vocal SNP supporter, I'd be interested in her take on this.

 

[geni]

Why has a party which has made such strides in establishing its “moderate” credentials allowed itself to become the only party in the country trying to elect an Islamist to parliament?

Heh only? Have a look at some of respect's connections sometime.

Ken Livingstone also ran into some issues when trying to aquire the muslim vote.

 

[Giz]

I'm just asking. Why the defensiveness?

It seemed a like a red herring - designed to deflect a question rather than give an answer.

The fact yoiu are or are not may reveal more about your reasons for posting this.

This is a politics discussion board is it not? Should only True Americans be able to discuss Bush or Obama policies?

I looked at the site you linked and it is a cesspit of bigotry.

A 'cesspit of bigotry'? I would describe it as a center-left site, supportive of free speech and enlightenment principles, and firmly opposed to typecasting (i.e. of the the 'all muslims are terrorists' type) (which is kind of the point of the article... that the SNP has for some reason passed over the [majority] of moderate scottish muslims in order to fund and now select hardliners).

(Effectively it's the same principle as if, say, the Tories put forward a BNP sympathizer in a cynical attempt to catch votes... distasteful and hopefully unproductive)

 

[funk de fino]

It seemed a like a red herring - designed to deflect a question rather than give an answer.

Paranoia then?

This is a politics discussion board is it not? Should only True Americans be able to discuss Bush or Obama policies?

Nice false arguments you have thrown in there. Fire in the hole.

A 'cesspit of bigotry'? I would describe it as a center-left site, supportive of free speech and enlightenment principles, and firmly opposed to typecasting (i.e. of the the 'all muslims are terrorists' type) (which is kind of the point of the article... that the SNP has for some reason passed over the [majority] of moderate scottish muslims in order to fund and now select hardliners).

(Effectively it's the same principle as if, say, the Tories put forward a BNP sympathizer in a cynical attempt to catch votes... distasteful and hopefully unproductive)

You can describe it any way you want but it is a cesspit of bigotry. That you try to deny it shows your true colours.

They probably dont run eh?

 

[funk de fino]

Just in case anyone who goes to the site cannot find the bigotry

Alec Salmond and Scotland….**** off. Just **** off. Don’t like the UK? Fine. We don’t like you and the rest of your ungrateful parasites either. **** off to your unproductive grease-filled socialist wasteland and take the chips on your shoulder the size of Ben Nevis with you. And take that one-eyed **** McBean as well with you.

And when you come back in a few years after ****ing everything up, begging for re-admittance to the UK after turning Scotland into an even bigger ******** than it currently is…**** off again.

The SNP should use this in their leaflets.

 

[Doctor Evil]

I could not find the segment you cited. Is it in one of the posts, or a comment?

 

[Giz]

Just in case anyone who goes to the site cannot find the bigotry



The SNP should use this in their leaflets.

Wow, a cherry picked comment? By that rights we should judge the JREF as a lot of dowsers and 911 truthers...

I don't know why you are being so defensive. Why not actually just say what you think of the SNP's choice instead of engaging in ad homs and poisoning the well?

 

[funk de fino]

Wow, a cherry picked comment? By that rights we should judge the JREF as a lot of dowsers and 911 truthers...

I don't know why you are being so defensive. Why not actually just say what you think of the SNP's choice instead of engaging in ad homs and poisoning the well?

1st link I went to on the link you gave and that comment was in there. Not cherrypicking just an example of the kind of muck tolerated over there.

I do not need to poison the well as you and your link do that quite well enough. The Anti Islam sentiments are all over that site like a rash.

You have yet to show anything except he said, he said.

 

[Nogbad]

Well I am Scottish and live in Scotland. I am not a member of any party and have voted for a fair variety over the years. Labour, Liberal, Green, SNP...although I don't think I have ever voted Tory.

The last Labour Government were poor, worse, they were arrogantly poor. They deserved to lose although I was a tad nervous about a SNP Government. The last two years have been a revelation. Surprisingly uneventful and things actually did/do feel better. I am not sure if this is because the SNP are good or that the last lot were spectacularly ***** (a bit of both perhaps).

As to the article - A Scottish Labour MP unleashes intemperate bile on the SNP - well that is something new. The problem is that Robert Cunninghame-Graham had a major hand in founding both parties - you would think that would make them close but as Life of Brian explains "Splitter!" I doubt two parties could hate each other more, precisely because they are so close (with exception of the Independence thing which Graham decided was necessary because the English were never really going to grasp the revolutionary thistle).

The cleric is a tube, Saeed is a politician and the issue is a load of crap. Scotland has a tiny Muslim population (really tiny, less than 1%).

Saeed is to replace Ahmad who died recently. Ahmad was a very well liked man by all the politicians at Holyrood so we will see if Saeed is cut from the same cloth. If not his tenure might be short - if he is and this is just more of the usual vitriol that passes for debate between Labour and the SNP (they are both as bad as each other on this front) then nothing more will be heard of it.

Does that help?