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The REAL reason for a science fair!! :(

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Sorry if this is in the wrong forum, but I'm not really sure where this should go...anyway,

Get a load of this. This is too funny (I think?) to pass up:
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair.html

Just read this:

Science Fair

The Scientific Method and Home School Science Fair procedures.

I. Purpose. Propose a question or problem for which you are seeking an answer.

II. Hypothesis. Turn your question or problem into a statement that presents the solution in such a way that it can either be proved or disproved (falsified).

III. Research. Gather information and plan your experiment that will prove or disprove your hypothesis.

IV. Experiment. Get equipment and conduct your experiment.

V. Conclusion. Present what you have discovered.

VI. Display construction. Make your board and table display.

VII. Science Fair Day. You as the presenter are the key to a great Science Fair Day.

Five things to remember:
1. Know your material.
2. Be Confident.
3. Communicate well.
4. Be thorough.
5. Pray your exhibit will witness to non-Christian visitors.
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7. February 15 - 16, 2003: our science fair presentation at Har-Mar Mall in a public-secular setting for three reasons:

1) To promote home schools,
2) To show that Homeschool students can do good science.
3) To present our science fair project to non-Christian people. This should be a great Gospel outreach.

We heard about one lady who saw the Science Fair displays at the Mall. She began to read some of the verses on the displays and was convicted to start attending church and get right with God. There are probably other stories like this we have not heard but it shows the power of God’s Word through our program.
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Sheesh! Get a load of their ideas for SCIENCE FAIR
CREATION SCIENCE TOPICS page:
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_ideas.html

I like this strawman:
Evolutionists ask this question:
How can I prove that evolution is true (and God does not exist). This may not be stated in this way, but is inferred by their writings. Darwin and others have said that if evolution is true, there is no need for God.

Creation scientists need to ask this question:
What can I learn about myself, God, and God's plan for the universe as I study His creation today. I believe true science is a way to learn more about God and ourselves. It is a living class room in which God is the Instructor and we the students. Jesus used common things in nature to illustrate his principles as he taught.

The Bible says, "The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge." God will not honor scientist's work if they do not honor Him. Some of the greatest scientific breakthroughs and discoveries were made by Christian men and women.
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It's funny how they describe the scientific method and ignore it at the same time. I don't suppose they have any experiments to test whether or not there is a God...
 
Check out some of the possible topics:

http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_ideas.html

"14. Can salt water and fresh water fish live in the same water or not?"

Encourages kids to kill a bunch of fish to prove the obvious.

"15. How long can flies survive freezing in a frig?"

I'd like to know, how long can flies survive if you frig them?

"18. Is intelligence influenced by physical attributes. i.e. are blondes "dumb" or does skin color influence intelligence?"

Now, this would be a great experiment. Get some supermodels in t-shirts, get them wet, and ask them theoretical physics questions.

"19. Can a dog run a maze faster than a gerbil?"

Can you get a dog to fit in a gerbil maze?

"22. Could a person function without thumbs? or What would it be like to not have thumbs?"

Kids, cut off your thumbs for science!

"53. Were all the animals friendly to man before the Flood? Idea: raise several baby animals like snake and mouse together to see if they remain friends as they are older."

Freakin Jesus! Who came up with these suggestions?!

"66. What color is our brain?"

Sure, encourage kids to practice trepanning.

These people are too much!
 
shemp said:
"22. Could a person function without thumbs? or What would it be like to not have thumbs?"
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To be fair, I think this suggestion is excellent. The best science fair exhibits are interactive. I could imagine an exhibit where visitors with their thumbs taped to the sides of their hands would try to perform common tasks such as writing or attempting to hold a glass of water using only their palms and remaining fingers.
 
Well, bloody hell. You'd expect this kind of stuff, wouldn't you?

83. Why do people believe in Evolution?
84. What events caused them to become evolutionists?
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Gee, could it be because of the freaking evidence?

See also here for an example of creationist geology not working in real life, which in turn is one of the stories from this page.

I escpecially like the
105.What are aliens and are there really any in our world? see Lamentations 5:2, Eph 2:12, Heb 11:34.
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My personal favorite is #8: How much voltage or current can a human take before he is killed? Could do experiments on a plant.

I don't think a plant is the right thing to use for the experiment, though. I think the nitwit who came up with the idea of a science fair based on bad science (i.e. the person responsible for the "home schooling science fair") would be a much better subject for the experiment. Of course he wouldn't be much smarter than a plant, but still......
 
Nyarlathotep said:
My personal favorite is #8: How much voltage or current can a human take before he is killed? Could do experiments on a plant.

I don't think a plant is the right thing to use for the experiment, though. I think the nitwit who came up with the idea of a science fair based on bad science (i.e. the person responsible for the "home schooling science fair") would be a much better subject for the experiment. Of course he wouldn't be much smarter than a plant, but still......
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What they should investigate is whether or not electromagnetic fields affect the direction of plant growth.

My mistake, a real science experiment would be considered atheism. I suppose I should stay in the shallow end of the pool, asking questions I have the answers to, and setting out to prove what I already think I know.
 
c4ts said:


What they should investigate is whether or not electromagnetic fields affect the direction of plant growth.

My mistake, a real science experiment would be considered atheism. I suppose I should stay in the shallow end of the pool, asking questions I have the answers to, and setting out to prove what I already think I know.
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Besides why would they need science when they have "THE TRUTH" tm
 
Have you seen their homepage?
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/

Now, how do you expect they could explain dinosaurs without figuring out what evolution really means? Oh, right, their firm devotion to the story of Noah prevents them from putting two and two together...

And check this bit of cryptozoology out...
http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/manipogo.html

Those poor suckers. Just look at the testimonials.

You'll notice there isn't one photo of campers watching Manipogo, but they promise evidence!

Tired of “ho hum” canned vacations? Want to do something very few people do? Want to find evidence that dinosaurs still live today? Want to do a “non-tourist” trip with guides who give a Biblical interpretation of God’s creation. Then going on an Adventure Safarisvacation is just for you. We are doing research and investigation of sightings of a dinosaur like creature called Manipogo in Lake Manitoba, Manitoba, Canada. We will spend the week interviewing eye witnesses, visiting Manipogo sighting locations, visiting elders of the Native American tribes to record their stories of Manipogo.
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I'm sorry, but that's just sad. Getting kids' hopes up that they might see a REAL LIVE DINOSAUR when all they really do is ask a bunch of locals for fish stories, and spend the rest of the time talking about how they need Gawd every single day of their entire lives.
 
shemp said:
Check out some of the possible topics:

http://www.tccsa.freeservers.com/adventure/fair_ideas.html

"14. Can salt water and fresh water fish live in the same water or not?"

Encourages kids to kill a bunch of fish to prove the obvious.

"15. How long can flies survive freezing in a frig?"

I'd like to know, how long can flies survive if you frig them?

"18. Is intelligence influenced by physical attributes. i.e. are blondes "dumb" or does skin color influence intelligence?"

Now, this would be a great experiment. Get some supermodels in t-shirts, get them wet, and ask them theoretical physics questions.

"19. Can a dog run a maze faster than a gerbil?"

Can you get a dog to fit in a gerbil maze?

"22. Could a person function without thumbs? or What would it be like to not have thumbs?"

Kids, cut off your thumbs for science!

"53. Were all the animals friendly to man before the Flood? Idea: raise several baby animals like snake and mouse together to see if they remain friends as they are older."

Freakin Jesus! Who came up with these suggestions?!

"66. What color is our brain?"

Sure, encourage kids to practice trepanning.

These people are too much!
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It was question 23 that stumped me.....>

23. Why do we have an Adams apple?

What does this indicate to those of us who do not have an Adam's apple?
:confused:

As for this question 104.Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?
My cat Ripley loves my dog Tasha!
 
Ruby said:


It was question 23 that stumped me.....>

23. Why do we have an Adams apple?

What does this indicate to those of us who do not have an Adam's apple?
:confused:
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Something minor about the evolutionary development of physical variations between the males and females of our species (according to current theory, that is), I would imagine... wait, the whole site is against that. I suppose it indicates that Adam ate the apple but not Eve!

As for this question 104.Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?
My cat Ripley loves my dog Tasha!
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As you can see, begging the question should not be a part of scientific thought.
 
This is just sad. I can see these fresh faced college freshmen showing up at their State U and proudly demonstrating their "knowledge" in Bio 101.

I imagine the "dropped chalk" urban legend in reverse...
 
Did you guys check out the "scale model of the "Ark"???
:D :D :D :D :D

I wonder what "science" that's based on?? :confused: Hey, maybe God sent the guy visions of the Ark eh?? Notice the "Ark" was made by none other than Russ McGlen himself!! :rolleyes:
 
c4ts said:
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Something minor about the evolutionary development of physical variations between the males and females of our species (according to current theory, that is), I would imagine... wait, the whole site is against that. I suppose it indicates that Adam ate the apple but not Eve!



As you can see, begging the question should not be a part of scientific thought. [/B]
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:D
 
We sent my step daughter to a Nazarene Christian school some years ago (she had flunked a year and it seemed like a good idea to get her into smaller classes, more student teacher interaction), anyway they had a Sci-fair; I helped her make a shoebox pinhole camera. The students had to write a report of course but had to include a biblical reference. I don’t recall any displays that had a creationist theme.
It was a weird year; she would come home from school and start talking about the history of early American missionaries and such but not much “secular” history; one chapter in her book stated that the reason the native Americans lost their lands was because they were idol worshipers and would not accept Christ.
 
kedo1981 said:
We sent my step daughter to a Nazarene Christian school some years ago (she had flunked a year and it seemed like a good idea to get her into smaller classes, more student teacher interaction), anyway they had a Sci-fair; I helped her make a shoebox pinhole camera. The students had to write a report of course but had to include a biblical reference. I don’t recall any displays that had a creationist theme.
It was a weird year; she would come home from school and start talking about the history of early American missionaries and such but not much “secular” history; one chapter in her book stated that the reason the native Americans lost their lands was because they were idol worshipers and would not accept Christ.
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Religious schools seem to like to distort history to their ends. One of my college history professors said that he used to teach at a Catholic high school. He said that he was told to never refer to the "Reformation" instead to call it "The Protestant Rebellion"

From that point forward I had an image in my head of Martin Luther and Pope Innocent engaged in a lightsaber duel with the Pope saying "Martin, I am your father....."
 
"Stephen J. Gould should put his foot right up thier @$$3z"
If he was not dead,I hope they will at least stop referring to him and thinking he WAS building a foundation for them (would turn in his grave)

"What events caused them to become evolutionists?"
This sounds like a title for a psychological trick (easily passed on to kids I assume)

"My mistake, a real science experiment would be considered atheism. I suppose I should stay in the shallow end of the pool, asking questions I have the answers to, and setting out to prove what I already think I know."
It´s like a geophysicist clinging to a flat earth,to hold onto such and then try to build a house on sand.


"Why do cats hate dogs and dogs hate cats?"
As Ruby points out,dogs do not necessarily hate cats.
However,their behaviors differ.Cats like to stare at creatures as an example which a dog may see as a threat.

"23. Why do we have an Adams apple?"
Vestigial organ? :D

"Getting kids' hopes up that they might see a REAL LIVE DINOSAUR"
Many kids seem to go trough their own "jurassic age".
Would make me think they would be highly skeptical.
 
I wonder what happens to Creationism when someone realizes that DARWIN WAS CHRISTIAN?
 
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