The "Process" of John Edward

[CFLarsen]

When discussing psychic mediums, the "process" is often referred to. Since there seems to be some confusion as to how this "process" works, I have asked neofight to open a thread about this. She hasn't done so, so I thought I'd be of assistance.

I am aware that mediums seem to have their own "process", which makes it a bit complicated. So, let's concentrate on just one, John Edward.

He is the most debated psychic medium here, mainly because he has some followers who also post here.

To those: The stage is yours. Spill it, so we can learn.

 

[EdipisReks]

i thought he was just a liar....

 

[michaellee]

From John Edward's website:
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Clairaudience (clear hearing) - Ability to hear sounds physically. Sometimes the thoughts are clearer than others.
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Process defined????

That has to be the most twisted, nonsensical, moronic paragraph ever written, yet I am sure many believers could straighten me out in no time at all.

Start by telling me when the word "physically" changed its connotation to describe "thoughts". And clear ones at that!

Have any of you out there actually read this ?<#%@$?<?

 

[michaellee]

I can't resist....

Things are coming into focus at the JE website!
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Glossary definition:

Clairsentience (clear sensing) - The way in which a spirit conveys emotion. This can be how they feel now as well as the way they felt at the time of their death. This is often in the form of "sympathetic pain," in which the spirit makes John "feel" what they feel.
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Information I can use at last! For years I was unsure of the methods JE and the dead use to communicate....er... cross over.

"the way they felt at the time of their death....the spirit makes John "feel" what they feel."

I'll wildly guess that the person who died FELT PRETTY LOUSY right at the time of their death. Probably not a red letter day for the family either, but what the hell, some people consider the moment when a person takes that last breath of life as reason to celebrate.

Does John Edward actually "feel what they feel" at the time of their death? If so, he would be smart not to "read" me or my brother's surviving family members. Unless the "feeling" of being crushed to death somehow is pleasant.

Come on John, show us how he felt!. You may qualify for the JREF Million if you can pull this one off. His name use to start with an A- or was it a T? ClearSense what I'm feeling right now and I could start my own show tomorrow on "Clairsentience" and other complete bullsh....

 

[neofight]

From John Edward's website:
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Clairaudience (clear hearing) - Ability to hear sounds physically. Sometimes the thoughts are clearer than others.
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Process defined????

That has to be the most twisted, nonsensical, moronic paragraph ever written, yet I am sure many believers could straighten me out in no time at all.

Start by telling me when the word "physically" changed its connotation to describe "thoughts". And clear ones at that!

Have any of you out there actually read this ?<#%@$?<?

Hello, michaellee. Well, I think a good place to start might be to use some of the considerable effort that you put into sarcasm and deriding the whole idea of mediumship into at least attempting to be accurate. Clairaudience is the ability to hear sounds psychically, not physically.

Perhaps you can go back and check your source? Is this the JE website's inaccuracy? Or your own? Could you give us the URL of the website you used please?........neo

 

[CFLarsen]

neofight,

Instead of focusing on the sarcastic posts, could you explain the process of JE?

You are one of those who consistently refer to this, and it would be marvellous if we could actually find out what it is all about.

That is the purpose of this thread, after all.

 

[neofight]

neofight,

Instead of focusing on the sarcastic posts, could you explain the process of JE?

You are one of those who consistently refer to this, and it would be marvellous if we could actually find out what it is all about.

That is the purpose of this thread, after all.

Claus, if after all the time I've already spent posting on the subject of the mediumship process, you still don't at least understand it in theory, then any additional time spent in an effort to enlighten you would surely be a further waste of my valuable time, which is precisely why I didn't bother to start this thread myself. ....neo

 

[CFLarsen]

Claus, if after all the time I've already spent posting on the subject of the mediumship process, you still don't at least understand it in theory, then any additional time spent in an effort to enlighten you would surely be a further waste of my valuable time, which is precisely why I didn't bother to start this thread myself. ....neo

It's not just me, neo. There are also other people here, where you use the argument of "JE's process" when arguing with them.

If not me, then do it for them.

Or perhaps you feel it is better for you to keep referring to something you will not explain what is? Or perhaps cannot?

 

[michaellee]

Perhaps you can go back and check your source? Is this the JE website's inaccuracy? Or your own? Could you give us the URL of the website you used please?........neo

Thanks for the response. Those who feel the need to correct and/or inform Website administrators about typos and mistakes on their sites may want to contact(no sarcasm intended) The Sci-Fi Channel's site and JE's site although the link to this particular page was down on JE's site. I have read it there, it is the same page.

Quickly to admit to making mistakes, which I do on occasion, this time my English, eyesight, and spelling capabilities were true. The page in error, according to neofight's review of my post, is located at HERE IS THE LINK

Then click on "GLOSSARY" to open the page.

 

[CFLarsen]

I like this one (from the Glossary):

"Flowing Blood - Indicates the cause of death was some type of blood disorder. (leukemia, hepatitis, AIDS, and/or drug overdose) "

Hepatitis is not a "blood disorder":

Hepatitis A: is a liver disease caused by the hepatitis A virus (HAV). Hepatitis A can affect anyone. In the United States, hepatitis A can occur in situations ranging from isolated cases of disease to widespread epidemics.

Hepatitis B: is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and death.

Hepatitis C: is a liver disease caused by the Hepatitis C virus (HCV), which is found in the blood of persons who have the disease. HCV is spread by contact with the blood of an infected person.

Hepatitis D: is a defective virus that needs the hepatitis B virus to exist. Hepatitis D virus (HDV) is found in the blood of persons infected with the virus.

Hepatitis E: is a virus (HEV) transmitted in much the same way as hepatitis A virus. Hepatitis E, however, does not often occur in the United States.

Source: CDC, Hepatitis

AIDS is not a "blood disorder":

HIV (human immunodeficiency virus) is the virus that causes AIDS. This virus is passed from one person to another through blood-to-blood and sexual contact. In addition, infected pregnant women can pass HIV to their baby during pregnancy or delivery, as well as through breast-feeding. People with HIV have what is called HIV infection. Most of these people will develop AIDS as a result of their HIV infection.

Source: CDC, HIV/AIDS

Drug overdose is not a "blood disorder". It's when you..well, overdose on drugs. If these are to be considered "blood disorders", then there are very few medical conditions that do not fall under this category!!

It's amazing that JE can refer to his medical background (even claiming to have saved a life by overriding a doctor), and make these major mistakes.

However, the Glossary is a far cry from explaining the "process". I am still hoping neofight will share her knowledge with the rest of us.

 

[michaellee]

Originally posted by CFLarsen
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However, the Glossary is a far cry from explaining the "process". I am still hoping neofight will share her knowledge with the rest of us.
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A few months back, I posted in one the many JE threads. What I eventually posted was not what I had intended to when I replied. I wanted to know exactly what you know want to know- The Process

At that time, I could not come up with a term or group of words to describe what I was looking for. Process is the key word.

I found that after reading hundreds of JE related posts, none had ever raised the question burning in my mind. I could care less about hits, tickets, seating, successes, claims, cold vs. hot readings etc..

I simply wanted to know HOW, specifically, was JE "performing"-- i.e.. when he claims someone has "crossed", and its a she, and her name starts with a T or an S, and he's "getting" something about a back problem, just how is he obtaining, translating, communicating, hearing, seeing... Dammit! You see my quandry.

Believers dismiss the methods (or process as you call it) JE uses because to define it in the least bit would open a door JE knows would not close.

The process or exact method, if explained in rational, non-psychic terminology, should be very simple to explain. IF there were actually one used. This is his ace in the hole. JE won't give away his process and shouldn't have to- because that would be showing the world how to communicate with the dead. Similar to a magician exposing the trick after it is performed.

Knowing he won't be pressed for these details by followers, JE resorts to the oldest tactic in the world, creating terms, definitions and explanations that only cover the non-earthbound stuff JE claims to be relating. I can't even begin to explain even one of the terms in that Glossary, because noone is supposed to. To strictly define anything, even if possible to do so, would be the end of that belief system followers have grown accustomed to.

The non--believers appear to be left holding the bag playing in this type of arena. How can JE explain something in concrete terms of which we don't want to understand? The believers understand what methods and processes JE uses very well, as do most skeptics. The difference between the groups is clouded by that one area you are hoping neofight will rationally define.

You may be better off calling a tax lawyer or IRS agent and have them define a page or two of the tax code. That probably would be less painful than what awaits this thread.

I am always optimistic and would love to see this issue discussed. Am I on the right track with what you are seeking?

 

[CFLarsen]

michaellee,

It's not just me. I am sure we all want to learn more.

Let's see if our hopes are fulfilled.

 

[Clancie]

Posted by CFLarsen

Hepatitis is not a "blood disorder":

AIDS is not a "blood disorder"

Claus,

Like AIDS, some kinds of hepatitis are commonly transmitted through blood. It's not far-fetched for JE to consider them as "blood disorders" when he's giving a reading. He uses "blood disorder" as opposed to causes of death he sees differently like suicide, heart attacks, emphysema/pneumonia, etc.

 

[CFLarsen]

Like AIDS, some kinds of hepatitis are commonly transmitted through blood. It's not far-fetched for JE to consider them as "blood disorders" when he's giving a reading. He uses "blood disorder" as opposed to causes of death he sees differently like suicide, heart attacks, emphysema/pneumonia, etc.

Which means he generalizes wildly. Which means that if he is a cold reader, his chances of a hit increases dramatically. Agree?

How come he can get "wrong cigarettes in a coffin" but not a name of a disease? You cannot explain the latter using this, unless you also explain the former using the same.

Unless you want to fit the explanation to the situation. But that would be inconsistent, wouldn't it?

 

[Jeff Corey]

He uses "blood disorder" as opposed to causes of death he sees differently like suicide, heart attacks, emphysema/pneumonia, etc.

Using that criterion, committing suicide by slashing your wrists would be a "blood disorder".
Almost anything goes!

 

[michaellee]

Originally posted by Clancie

He uses "blood disorder" as opposed to causes of death he sees differently like suicide, heart attacks,

Excellent! Clancie, you used the word "see" above. Is this sight like mine, or a special one JE has, or something else? In any case, do you know or can you describe this part of JE's communication process for me?

 

[Clancie]

Michaellee,

You're right. I should have said he "feels" this...since that's the way I remember him describing how he "gets" health info.

re: the process. I think neo has a post up about it already describing it on another thread. If I can find it for you, I'll post it again.

 

[CFLarsen]

Clancie,

Do you agree that JE generalizes wildly? Which means that if he is a cold reader, his chances of a hit increases dramatically?

How come he can get "wrong cigarettes in a coffin" but not a name of a disease? You cannot explain the latter using this, unless you also explain the former using the same.

Unless you want to fit the explanation to the situation. But that would be inconsistent, wouldn't it?

 

[Mike D.]

Ok, it's my understanding that spirits usually can't communicate directly through JE, so they must communicate using symbols from JE's own frame of reference that JE has learned may mean certain things that the spirits are trying to communicate. Is this a correct description of this part of the process?

So let's say a spirit, in looking in on a loved one who is still alive, discovers that the loved one is planning to visit one of JE's seminars, is planning to attend a taping of Crossing Over, or is planning to attend a JE seminar. The spirit makes plans to be there as well in hopes that he can send a message through JE to his loved one. The spirit, knowing how JE's type of mediumship works, telepathically taps into JE's mind and studies various symbols and their associations in JE's frame of reference. Then, when the spirit's loved one is being read by JE, the spirit knows what symbols to project into JE's mind to try to get the message across.

Or, does the spirit impart information to JE, which JE's subsconscious mind somehow automatically translates into appropriate symbols from JE's frame of reference?

Does anyone here imagine the process, or at least part of the process, happening anything like the above? It seems like the spirits must have their work cut out for them to try to delve into JE's mind to find appropriate symbols to use. Or perhaps the spirits have built up their own glossary of JE's symbols over time and these are somehow available in the spirit world for study by spirits wishing to use JE to communicate with their loved ones.

 

[neofight]

Thanks for the response. Those who feel the need to correct and/or inform Website administrators about typos and mistakes on their sites may want to contact(no sarcasm intended) The Sci-Fi Channel's site and JE's site although the link to this particular page was down on JE's site. I have read it there, it is the same page.

Thank you, michaellee. I don't usually feel compelled to correct or inform webmasters about editing mistakes either, but in this case, I made an exception and e-mailed his assistant, Carol, about the error.

The least John and his staff could do on his official site would be to insure accuracy in the very place (the glossary) that he attempts to explain mediumship terms. lol

Quickly to admit to making mistakes, which I do on occasion, this time my English, eyesight, and spelling capabilities were true.

Yes they were, michaellee. You quoted it accurately. I'm glad that I left room for that possibility in my post to you, or I'd feel a little foolish about blaming you for the error. And in any case, it is true that we all do make mistakes on occasion. .....neo