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The Planned Parenthood Controversy

PTweedle

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My husband, daughter and myself recently volunteered our time to bring attention to Planned Parenthood. As many of you know, the news is brimming with stories of this state, or that state making their job next to impossible. The nation seems to be in a cycle of misinformation and hysteria over this organization.
We were able to get the support of over 50 individuals, male and female, in just under two hours. That's nearly one signature every two minutes. That runs against the "media's" reporting that most people would prefer these centers, providing a necessary myriad of services for women all over the U.S., be shut down! Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised by the reception we were getting from people on the streets of downtown Springfield, Missouri.
One woman stuck out to us all...her name was Alice. Alice informed us that she'd been using Planned Parenthood 47 years ago when she birthed her two children. They were there for her health needs as well as those of her children throughout most of their growing years.

As I get more involved with learning about Planned Parenthood, it's occurred to me that the main reason they are getting flack is because of the Religious Right. My question becomes this: When is it 'alright' to inflict one's beliefs upon other humans in order that you may be seen as 'right and just' in the eyes of your god?
Given that maybe 3% of their patients use their services to terminate a pregnancy and the other 97% of patients are receiving preventative health care, this seems completely ridiculous to me. The bigger problem with their philosophy is that it's just that...a philosophy, a belief, something without a basis in fact and without a shred of validity. It's an imaginative belief. It satisfies some need in their brain to feel connected, loved, and free from the realities of this world and its experiences. Not to mention arrogant and empowered. That's all well and good, and I'd be the first to defend their right to believe whatever they wish. My fury is roused, however, when those same people, operating off of those same beliefs are able to bring something like Planned Parenthood to its knees BECAUSE of their fictitious view of reality and the world the rest of us live in!
How did a country like the United States become so incredibly misguided as to allow law makers to push forth infractions on OTHER AMERICANS in the form of such legislation as we're seeing here with Planned Parenthood?
You want to pass laws that negatively impact millions of women in my country, young and old, rich and poor? You'd better have a valid reason to do so. One's religious BELIEFS about a topic are not enough...nor should they EVER be enough...and somehow....they are.
 
I have had the experience of having to deal with nutjob anti-abortionist protestors - the bike shop that works on my stuff is a few doors away from PP.

These freaks have all the gruesome pics on display, megaphone, the whole nine. Simply parking on the street brings on the attention.

My girl drops me off one time, she gets out of the car to go inside with me, and immediately we have a few self-appointed do-gooders on us in nothing flat.

I won't repeat what my lady said, but shocked faces and open mouths watched us walk away, with the two of us laughing and smiling.
 
Planned Parenthood as 2012 football
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While the high-profile congressional fight over Planned Parenthood’s funding is over, the group is still engaged in a number of legal battles across the country, fights that could become an issue in the 2012 elections.
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And just as the Susan B. Anthony List, a conservative-minded group that opposes abortion, hopes to turn Planned Parenthood funding into a litmus test in 2012 —the group has a line insiting on defunding the organization in a pledge it is pushing all 2012 candidates to sign — Democrats argue that the issue will hurt Republican presidential candidates with female voters.
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According to a CNN poll released in April, 65 percent of Americans oppose cutting off federal funding for Planned Parenthood. But the same poll found that 61 percent of respondents opposed using public funds for abortions when a woman cannot afford one. Public opinion on abortion has always been sharply divided, and it remains one of the most divisive issues in the country.

That chasm suggests that Planned Parenthood — and Democrats — have succeeded in making the debate about women’s health, rather than abortion rights. Opponents argue that clinics not affiliated with Planned Parenthood can cover the other women’s health services Planned Parenthood provides. Whoever wins that fight will likely reap the benefits at the polls.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...s-2012-football/2011/06/29/AGigAFsH_blog.html
 
My name is Amanda and I am a real person, not an anecdote. I have been going to Planned Parenthood for both birth control and my annual exams since I was a teenager. When my husband and I were in our 30s, we decided we wanted to have a child. My health insurance did not cover fertility treatments, and after eight years of infertility I mentioned this to the nurse at PP. She gave me a stack of information on fertility and your fertility schedule, recommended over-the-counter fertility tests and an iphone app :) That was in Dec of 2010. In March of 2011 I found out I was FINALLY pregnant.

Without the information supplied to me by PP I most likely would never have gotten pregnant.

They call it "Planned" for a reason.
 
I won't repeat what my lady said, but shocked faces and open mouths watched us walk away, with the two of us laughing and smiling.
Can you at least PM? I am really curious, and may want to use the line in the future (or have female friends of mine use it).
 
FWIW, at least we have some judges/governors making good decisions:

Kansas abortion rules blocked by federal judge
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/01/MNCC1K5KG1.DTL

District judge blocks defunding of Planned Parenthood of Indiana
http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2011/07/04/gvbf0704.htm

N.C. governor vetoes ultrasound, waiting period bill
http://www.americanindependent.com/190806/n-c-governor-vetoes-ultrasound-waiting-period-bill

SD abortion law blocked - as expected
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/01/990442/-SD-abortion-law-blockedas-expected?detail=hide
 
In the past, the war on women was an insidious thing - Tax cuts here, a few restrictive laws there. This year the GOP, funded by the religious right, has made the war on women a priority. There have been an unprecedented number of bills introduced (Almost 1000 in the first half of this year alone) to restrict abortion access, cut funding for planned parenthood, reduce programs for pregnant mothers and cut WIC for children. The scope of this is hard to imagine.

Thanks to people exactly like you, the ones who took the time to notice what was happening, these bills have been voted down in many states. More and more people are writing to their congressmen and senators, letting them know that reducing health care, even in the form of abortion, isn't going to get them any votes.

Personally, I bounce between hope and fear. I know that enough complaints will get even the staunchest most religious republican to shift alliances. At the same time, our politicians are honest enough to stay bought and the religious right has masses of cash.
 
My name is Amanda and I am a real person, not an anecdote. I have been going to Planned Parenthood for both birth control and my annual exams since I was a teenager. When my husband and I were in our 30s, we decided we wanted to have a child. My health insurance did not cover fertility treatments, and after eight years of infertility I mentioned this to the nurse at PP. She gave me a stack of information on fertility and your fertility schedule, recommended over-the-counter fertility tests and an iphone app :) That was in Dec of 2010. In March of 2011 I found out I was FINALLY pregnant.

Without the information supplied to me by PP I most likely would never have gotten pregnant.

They call it "Planned" for a reason.

Congratulations!
Although the very religious will say it's down to god, not p/p! :mad:
 
My name is Amanda and I am a real person, not an anecdote. I have been going to Planned Parenthood for both birth control and my annual exams since I was a teenager. When my husband and I were in our 30s, we decided we wanted to have a child. My health insurance did not cover fertility treatments, and after eight years of infertility I mentioned this to the nurse at PP. She gave me a stack of information on fertility and your fertility schedule, recommended over-the-counter fertility tests and an iphone app :) That was in Dec of 2010. In March of 2011 I found out I was FINALLY pregnant.

Without the information supplied to me by PP I most likely would never have gotten pregnant.

They call it "Planned" for a reason.

Oh no, this has to be a lie. Planned Parenthood is just filled with "evil" people intent on depopulating Earth..........for Satan or something. Some crazy guy said so.

And people totally believed the Onion story on an assembly line abortion mega-factory so that is also evidence it must be true.
 
PP are wonderful, wonderful people. Let us have a moment of silence for those who have given their lives for women's health.

Be they doctor or clinic escorts or any other individual who's life was cut short by a coward's attack, they are truly heroes.
 
Oh no, this has to be a lie. Planned Parenthood is just filled with "evil" people intent on depopulating Earth..........for Satan or something. Some crazy guy said so.

Well I do intend to raise my son an atheist and an "evolutionist," so I'm sure that's evil enough. I've already bought him his red A logo onesie.
 
Can you at least PM? I am really curious, and may want to use the line in the future (or have female friends of mine use it).

I'd like to know too! This thing has me pretty grim.
 
The Republikers want a return to the dark ages. That is all there is to it. :mad:

I've said it before: look at their methods. Keep the poor as poor as feasible. Keep them breeding. Keep them ignorant: support ignorance in all its most pernicious forms, from school vouchers to "creation science". Keep them under the thumb of a religio-governmental authority which basically tells them they're damned if they protest.

What do you end up with?

Peasants. That's what the Republican Religious Right want: a tiny and largely heritable oligarchy of the rich, hand-in-glove with religious authority, and a population of illiterate, superstitious, obedient peasants, desperately grateful for a wage of room, board, and two suits of clothes in the year, as if this were the year 1011 rather than 2011.
 
You know, THIS is the kind of thing that needs to be pushed in the mainstream press, the subject of extensive, relentless airing, and so on.

This is a real attack on every woman in the USA, give or take, and it's a real, palpable, testable, verifiable attack on every woman, and frankly, most guys, too.

THIS is what ought to be in the mainstream press.
 
As I get more involved with learning about Planned Parenthood, it's occurred to me that the main reason they are getting flack is because of the Religious Right. My question becomes this: When is it 'alright' to inflict one's beliefs upon other humans in order that you may be seen as 'right and just' in the eyes of your god?

When is it alright to inflict one's beliefs upon other humans for any reason?

You seem to think that this problem is peculiar to the religious right, but it isn't. It's a problem for all societies. And there is no simple answer. Everyone (including you) thinks that some beliefs can be "inflicted" upon others, but some beliefs cannot. We just don't all agree on which beliefs belong in which categories. And much of the time, which ones you put where is really an issue of morality. You can pretend that non-religious morality is somehow different than religious morality, but there really isn't any dividing line. Morality isn't based on facts, it's based on what you value. And there's no purely logical way to derive what we should value.

You don't like their values. You are free to argue why yours are better. But your argument that yours are fundamentally different from theirs isn't actually supported by reason , it depends entirely upon unfounded (and apparently unquestioned) assumptions.
 
Oh no, this has to be a lie. Planned Parenthood is just filled with "evil" people intent on depopulating Earth..........for Satan or something. Some crazy guy said so.

And people totally believed the Onion story on an assembly line abortion mega-factory so that is also evidence it must be true.

this entire issue is a creation of the extremist atheist agenda, what is it with the cheese?
 
this entire issue is a creation of the extremist atheist agenda, what is it with the cheese?

Considering that some of the GOP are cast directly from the offices of the Onion, you wonder why?:D

This "The Marriage Vow" is straight out of the bug house. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry, but, um, do "Church & State" ring any bells?

:nope:
 

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