The Phoenix Lights... We Are Not Alone

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Last night I watched a documentary called The Phoenix Lights... We Are Not Alone which covers the mass UFO sighting over Arizona on March 13, 1997. Having lived in Phoenix at the time I thought this would be an interesting film. Within the first few minutes I knew I was in trouble when both Gary Shwartz and Edgar Mitchell made an appearance.

It turns out the film was produced by a woman named Lynne D. Kitei who was a witness and wrote a book on the subject. So it is not a documentary simply covering the cold hard facts, it is definitely geared toward the believers. The interviews are fairly one-sided. Countering arguments are given some attention, but they are presented as straw-man arguments by the believers. There are no interviews with anyone of a different opinion.

As such, the film is a good lesson in logical fallacies. For example, there is quite a bit of "argument from ignorance". One man runs down the list of possibilities that he could think of and rejected, thus coming to the conclusion of alien spacecraft. Another man states that if only 1/10 of 1% of sightings can't be explained, that is enough because it only takes one. He ignores his own assertion that by definition it can't be explained therefore it may still be flares, or airplanes, or anything else ordinary.

But perhaps my favorite quote was the following (sorry, I don't remember who it was that said it): "I like Occam's Razor; The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. It was an extraterrestrial spacecraft." I laughed out loud at that point.

I noticed a few silly editing mistakes. For example, someone was talking about how all of the lights were in a perfectly straight line. The shot then cut to video footage showing the lights in anything but a straight line. Later someone talks about how three of the lights formed a perfect triangle. The shot shown over this did not show lights making an equilateral triangle (which is what I assumed is meant by a "perfect" triangle).

The first half of the film is mostly brief snippets of interviews of witnesses. It is interesting to note that no one claimed to have seen anything other than lights. No actual craft was seen. Many of the witnesses assumed that the multiple lights were part of a single craft. And many claimed to be able to gauge the size of the craft (over a mile long) despite the lack of comparative objects.

The second half of the film moved away from documentary interviews and started in on the philosophical woo aspects. There was much talk of the intelligence many felt the lights possessed, how the aliens are here to help, they are worried about us destroying our planet, etc.

I love documentaries and don't always feel they have to come to a conclusion. It is enough to just reports the facts and let people of varying opinions have their say. This is not that type of film. While not as bad as What the Bleep Do We Know? or The Secret, it is still a film by believers and for believers. As I said earlier, the best part is the practice it allows one to identify logical fallacies.
 
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I live in Phoenix. Trust me, you WANT to believe in aliens. The alternative is that people here are just very, very strange.
 
Speaking of "lights in formation"....

It happened just a few days ago in the night skies of Santiago. The UFO fuss and craze started to grow as a snow ball immediatly, but came to a halt when the Air Force promptly explained to the press that it was a military excercise of fourteen planes, IIRC.

So you see, there's nothing unusual in lights in formation, but simple planes.

VIDEO

Notice how excited and amazed the guy with the camera is. I wonder what UFOlogists would've have make out of his account alone, if not for the video and the AF explanation.
 
Yes people still reference this event as proof even know it was totally blown out of the water. Are there aliens? I don’t know, but that night it was not them.

-Kyle
 
Speaking of "lights in formation"....

It happened just a few days ago in the night skies of Santiago. The UFO fuss and craze started to grow as a snow ball immediatly, but came to a halt when the Air Force promptly explained to the press that it was a military excercise of fourteen planes, IIRC.

So you see, there's nothing unusual in lights in formation, but simple planes.

Very interesting. Just to set the record straight on the Phoenix lights, I have had a web page up for over a decade explaining the case. You can find it at:

http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/AZUFO.htm

The case has been confused by some. Yes, flares explained the videos shot at 10PM that night but it never explained the 8-8:30PM apparation that appeared across the state. Five lights in formation flew from north to south and passed over Phoenix. Some very excited individuals claimed there was a distinct large triangular object behind the lights. Others just reported lights in formation. Those that reported an object were the ones who populate all the videos on the subject. Those that just saw a formation of lights never got any air time. This is important because that is what many reported. Most important were the observations of amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley, who saw the formation and looked at the lights with his telescope. He saw aircraft with lights. There is additional information to verify this observation and it is all on my webpage.
 
The one incident was a MD nat'l guard unit dropping flares, the other, the giant flying triangle, was a formation of small planes.

The funny thing is that there is really no doubt whatsoever about what the two sightings were, the proof is conclusive, yet the UFO story persists...
 
The one incident was a MD nat'l guard unit dropping flares, the other, the giant flying triangle, was a formation of small planes.

The funny thing is that there is really no doubt whatsoever about what the two sightings were, the proof is conclusive, yet the UFO story persists...


UFO Hunters took this one on recently also, with comedic effect. I remember seeing one documentary where they superimposed a daytime image of the valley and South Mountain from the same vantage point as one of the videos of the flares falling. In the original nighttime video, the lights appear to go out in an odd pattern, not the same order as when they appear. In the superimposed daylight image, you can see the flares disappearing as they fall behind South Mountain. For some odd reason, the UFO Hunters fail to mention that part of it.

Just noticed that links on Astrographer's website points to that explanation already.
 
UFO Hunters took this one on recently also, with comedic effect. I remember seeing one documentary where they superimposed a daytime image of the valley and South Mountain from the same vantage point as one of the videos of the flares falling. In the original nighttime video, the lights appear to go out in an odd pattern, not the same order as when they appear. In the superimposed daylight image, you can see the flares disappearing as they fall behind South Mountain. For some odd reason, the UFO Hunters fail to mention that part of it.

I pretty much through "UFO hunters" away the instant Bill Birnes was declared an expert (Bill was the one who presented the Corso - Walter mitty story about Roswell). Every time I watch them do something, I just shake my head and laugh. Last week they found a piece of material that was supposedly part of the Roswell crash. It was lumped together and was found to be high density polyethelene (the stuff you find in tupperware). Instead of figuring they were duped by somebody, they pondered the significance of how HDPE could have been found in 1947 when it was not developed until the 1950s! Oh, how gullible can their "scientific expert" be? I was also trying to figure out why a UFO/interstellar spacecraft that had remarkable materials (metal that sprang back into shape went bent and I-beams that could not be burned) would be have plastic tupperware as part of it's manufacture?

Anyway, the video you refer to happened in the Discovery channel program "UFOs over Phoenix". Dr. Rudin of Cognitech performed the analysis. I remember the chatter on UFO updates. Bill Hamilton, who's wife has been abducted several times and was a witness to the 10PM event, declared the show a debunking effort. It is amazing how UFO proponents declare "debunker" the instant somebody suggests a probable explanation. More evidence that UFOlogy is populated by "those willing to believe" instead of people willing to weigh the evidence objectively.
 
...Most important were the observations of amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley, who saw the formation and looked at the lights with his telescope. He saw aircraft with lights...

The documentary I saw included someone complaining that one person claimed to see aircraft but dozens of other witnesses didn't. The complaint was why the airplane story made the papers, but other people's stories didn't.

It seemed obvious to me that by their own admission, almost everyone only claimed to see just lights. No one ever claimed to see an actual mile long craft. The only claim by someone who actually saw something more than just lights, was the aircraft story. So it is entirely logical that this story be reported.

For what it is worth, the UFO theories far outweigh the rational explanations anyway in the popular media. Thankfully, we have your site Astrophotographer.
 
It is amazing how UFO proponents declare "debunker" the instant somebody suggests a probable explanation.

What I find more amazing is that they consider "debunker" to be some kind of insult. If something can be debunked, that means it was in fact bunk. By referring to everyone who explains their claims as debunkers, they are effectively admitting that their claims are wrong.
 
I see this sort of crapola all the time, and it just makes me sick to my stomach to watch people buy into this. Not to sound superior or anything, but why are people so stupid? Do the suffer from some sort of mental illness?
 
Yes, this man is utterly and obviously, well and truly, completely off his gourd, eh?

Either that, or an out-and-out attention whore. That can be the only possible explanation, surely?
 
Yes, this man is utterly and obviously, well and truly, completely off his gourd, eh?

Either that, or an out-and-out attention whore. That can be the only possible explanation, surely?

I like false dichotomy... no really. How about : he is mistaken in what he saw and his knowledge does not encompass the nature of what he saw ?
 
I like false dichotomy... no really. How about : he is mistaken in what he saw and his knowledge does not encompass the nature of what he saw ?

I was about to say something similar. This is the standing for most skeptics. The other response is what UFO proponents like everyone to believe the skeptics are stating.
 
I like false dichotomy... no really. How about : he is mistaken in what he saw and his knowledge does not encompass the nature of what he saw ?

Unless you are aware of evidence that the man in that clip had a propensity for mistaking objects in the skies for UAP's, how about : you are making a guess; and not even an educated one?
 

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