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The Moon Affects the Weather!

sophia8

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Case for the moon
Argh. Somebody sent me this link to prove that the Moon exerts all kind of weird affects on the Earth. I really don't know where to begin to debunk it. Should I even bother to try?
Some samples:
Simply stated, changes in the Moon’s movement can trigger changes in our weather. How it works is really rather logical but scientists seem to have a vested interest in not stating it. Possible reasons for this political manoeuvring will soon become clearer."
It is the old principles of Astrology that we should be turning back to to re-examine, the subject that people with Higher Learning imagine to be at worst the stuff of the Devil or at best only a silly party game. When it comes to the Old Astrology, the Moon was the central player, the Moon established the pivot from which everything else related. Etymologically speaking, our word measurement came from moon.
Since 1976 satellite data coming from NASA suggests that these ancient lunar calendar systems that were used to determine seasonal climatic fluctuations indeed had a sound scientific basis. NASA is currently collecting aerial evidence of ancient stone circles, and last year (I know because I was there)discreetly surveyed in NZ, the large ancient stone circle at Mangonui Bluff near Dargaville which displays the same diameter dimensions as Stonehenge(288 feet), which some claim could be further proof of the existence of the Indo/Egypto/European culture in NZ many thousands of years ago.
 
The conspiracy thing is a sure sign of bunk. Why should scientists not want disclose it? Precise weather prediction is a big business these days, and anything that could add to this very unertain discipline would be welcomed with open arms.

I don't doubt that the moon has some effect on the climate. After all, all this shuffling ocean-water about must have some effects. However, it must be quite marginal, in comparison with the effects of the sun.

Hans
 
From only a couple of hundred thousand miles away, changes in the Moon's orbital patterns are going to have major effects on Earth. Between a third and a quarter the size of Earth, the Moon is equivalent in size to a smaller person running around and around an adult, all day every day. Ask yourself, would that affect you? Better still, ask the mother of a two-year-old.
All righty then. The Moon is annoying the hell out of the Earth.

~~ Paul
 
changes in the Moon's orbital patterns are going to have major effects on Earth

This is, of course, entirely true. Now we just need to find something that could actually change it from just keeping to the single, boring "going round and round in circles" pattern. I think it would be much more fun if it went in smoe kind of spirograph pattern instead.
 
OK, here goes:

We all know the Sun radiates heat to the ground and causes evaporation, from the puddles on the footpath to the oceans and rain forests, yet there is no way the Sun can cause the evaporation to fall back to the Earth. Moreover, it can rain at night, when there is no Sun in the sky. The Sun cannot make it rain or snow, something else must be responsible.

Incredibly silly. Temperature changes makes it rain or snow. The heat comes from the sun.

There is only one other thing in the sky capable of exerting the necessary huge forces that would be required.

Any rules that apply to the sun for influencing conditions on earth also apply to the moon. The moon cannot excert any forces on earth that the sun cannot, and of all the forces they excert, only the tidal force from the moon is the stronger.

We are told that the Moon has about one sixth of the Earth’s gravitational force. This has come into dispute since the Apollo moon landings.
*sniiiip*
Observations of the NASA video tapes, and television broadcasts indicated that Young made several attempts to jump as high as he could but with no success in achieving a height of more than 18 inches.

Incredibly silly. If the gravitional force of the moon was not exactly as predicted, the Apollo capsules would have crashed on the surface.
And in nice truther style, we are asked to instead take the author's interpretation of a video as a higher authority than the assembled scientific community. Let us just ignore that we have no idea how hard Young tried to jump. Let us pretend that he wasn't carrying his own weight in spacesuit and life-support equipment, and that there was no safety issue in high-jumping in an entensely hostile environment. Let us not speculate on why he fell so slowly from his jumps, or how the astronauts managed to take off from the moon against an unexpected high gravity. In other words, let us try not to think at all.

Whatever the Moon's gravity is, is sufficient to haul our seas around beneath its transit. It also hauls the air.

It even pulls a bit on he mountains.

From only a couple of hundred thousand miles away, changes in the Moon's orbital patterns are going to have major effects on Earth. Between a third and a quarter the size of Earth, the Moon is equivalent in size to a smaller person running around and around an adult, all day every day. Ask yourself, would that affect you? Better still, ask the mother of a two-year-old.

And let us for gawd's sake not ask ourselves if the orbit of the moon is perchance a tiddle more stable than the trajectory of a two-year-old.

Simply stated, changes in the Moon’s movement can trigger changes in our weather. How it works is really rather logical but scientists seem to have a vested interest in not stating it. Possible reasons for this political manoeuvring will soon become clearer.

My guess is that they are waiting for any changes in the moon's movements. And not holding their breath.

If the Moon has an effect on the sea then it must control the tides by distribution of the water. So is it too silly to state that if it has an effect on the atmosphere then it must control the weather by distribution of the clouds?

Yes, is indeed too silly. You see, clouds form, move and disappear because of temperature differences.

The answer is that there are times when Earth's gravitational force is nullified, and these are special positions of the Sun and Moon and planets, from which forces from above can effect changes on Earth.

Nullified? :eek:
..I sincerely hope not. That would make one hell of a mess.

Part of the problem is that we are very locked in to what we can see, and that goes for our technology, in which we only believe that which we can see through instruments of our own making. But does that not mean that forces do not exist for which we have not yet invented instruments to measure.

Incredibly silly statement afther he has gone on for quite some lenght about a lot of things that should be blindingly obvious to any observer.

In effect he says: "I realize that nobody has observed all these things I claim, but that is just because we don't have the technology to see them."

.. Yeah, sure, but then how do they influence the weather, and all that jazz? Wouldn't we sorta observe that, just a little bit? :rolleyes:

And as the atmosphere has its daily tide, the air density too is forever changing. If it did not, barometric pressures would always remain constant.

:dl:

Just when you think it can't get any sillier, he surpasses himself. As anybody who owns a barometer will know, the air pressure does not vary in any regular way, like the tide. Sooo, there must be something else at work. Right, you guessed it! Temperature variations, driven by the little ol Sun.

We can't see a high AIR tide because we haven't yet invented an instrument to detect it.

Whaat? You just said it influenced barometric pressure?? Make up your mind, now.
The really rich thing about this is, of course, that the tides in the atmosphere, which certainly exist, although they are more or less drowned out by the many other influences do NOT influence barometric pressure ;). This is because the increased air column id countered by the upward pull from the moon. But of course we have other ways of measuring the thickness of the atmosphere.

Every New moon time, for two or three days, the Moon shields us from the solar wind; that electromagnetic energy force-field sent forth into space by the Sun.

Nonsense. The moon does not have a magnetic field, so it does not influence solar wind, except when it is in the direct line-of-sight. And then we have a solar eclipse. Which, as any sane peson knows, is a rather rare occurrence.

No reason to dissect the rest of this junk. Since the premises are wrong, any truths in the conclusions will be purely coincidential.

Hans
 
Don't bother, sophia, it's all bonkers and will only hurt your head.
You're quite right, I won't. I've read all the way through it now and there's just too much garbage there.
That stuff about stone circles for instance. I don't think there's any dispute that standing stones were used as agricultural calenders ("When you stand by stone Y and see the Sun rising behind stone X, it's time to start planting the wheat"). But claiming that their existence "proves" anything more than that - especially the nonsense about "Indo/Eygpt/Eurasian" people colonising New Zealand - is rubbish.

ETA: Thanks for taking one for me, MRC_Hans. Now go have a drink, you deserve it.
 
Now we just need to find something that could actually change it from just keeping to the single, boring "going round and round in circles" pattern.
i fear it is going to only get even more boring, eventually just sitting up there in one place and not (appearing to) move at all. (or, arguably, ceasing to exit for all those on the "other" side of the earth).

and we will never even get the odd total solar eclipse any more!
 
Sometimes I think that the only rational reason that someone can even believe such nonsense as this, is that they live in an alternate universe from ours -- one in which the laws of physics are completely different. :boggled: :boggled: :boggled:
 
The moon actualy helps maintain the stability of the Earth’s spin axis (about 23.5 Degrees). Without the moon it is projected that the tilt of the Earth’s spin axis would vary by as much as 90 degrees in response to the gravitational pulls of Jupiter and the Sun. So if we want a true assessment of the effect of the moon on the earth’s weather we need to consider what the weather might be like with out a moon, probably not very stable.

Also the distance to the moon is increasing by about 12.5 feet per century (1.5 in per year), it is slowly moving away.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/wcmoon.html#c1
 

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