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The magic of water.

MRC_Hans

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I was referred to this (on a homeopathc BB, of course):

http://www.giewasser.de/en/amazing%20giewater.htm

You don't have to tell me it's crap, but I'd like various specialist's views on the claims in it. For instance the claim that the percentage of water in the human body is falling with age (from 95% in babies to 60% in elderly people).

Please take a look.

ETA: If nothing else, it's a good laugh :D.

Hans
 
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There's more brick in a brick than there is in a brick house.
Should this surprise us?
 
Um, they must be using the tried-and-true "Apple People" model. And fyi, the "lack of water" in sick people is through too much output and not enough input: i.e. diarrhea, vomiting, and sweats and no appetite or inability to keep things down.

"Did you know you were nothing but a sponge? That none of your complicated mechanisms for keeping you hydrated like 'thirst' or urine concentration could be trusted to actually keep you hydrated? That your body was dumber than our website, which I know is hard to believe? Then try our 'Wasser' brand water!"

An actual quote:
Almost all of this “knowledge” disappears if steam is heated to 400° C or if water is subjected to vigorous swirling.
In this way, water therapists hope to clear drinking water of information, in the same way as computer-users do by re-formatting their hard disks. In water therapy, this “formatting” above all gets rid of harmful information derived from environmental toxins such as heavy metals or chlorinated hydrocarbons. The active ingredients themselves may indeed be filtered out in the physical and chemical treatment plants of water-works, although according to all previous experiences of water researchers, the information stored in the water is retained. According to the world-famous German water researcher and qualified physicist Dr. rer. nat. Wolfgang Ludwig, water can store the information that has been imprinted on it at the level of certain frequencies, and transmit such information on to other systems, for example such as living organisms.
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So much load. So very very much. So, water is like a hard-drive with nut clusters and pleats. What great analogies, but what complete and utter load.
 
Yep. Anybody with concrete knowledge on the water content issue? It sounds like nonsense to me, but I want to be sure.

Hans
 
The page is so much fiction, it's really hard to know where to start. It's like trying to explain to a child that Harry Potter isn't a documentary.

Rolfe.
 
The page is so much fiction, it's really hard to know where to start. It's like trying to explain to a child that Harry Potter isn't a documentary.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
The page is so much fiction, it's really hard to know where to start. It's like trying to explain to a child that Harry Potter isn't a documentary.

Rolfe.
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Youp. That's the reason I try to single out gross factual errors. Water content of the human body depends on age?

Hans
 
Water molecules always live together in groups, so-called clusters, in which the homeopathic information is stored.
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Water does not live in clusters. One of the models I've heard of is referred to as the "Flickering Ice-Cube" model. Basically the water creates clusters of solid water (ice). The bonds of this are continually breaking and reforming with different H2O molecules in each clusters. These clusters break and reform on the order of picoseconds (IIRC). It isn't the best model, but it is easy to visualize. Also the hydrogen molecules will change from one oxygen to another even in pure water hence the pH of pure water is theoretically 7.0. (Actually it is closer to 6 because CO2 disolves in the water forming carbonic acid lowering the pH).

I pretty much stopped reading shortly after this because they are so wrong it becomes difficult for me to read. To give some background my BSc is in geochemistry from the University of Waterloo. This school has a heavy focus on groundwater I took two full courses on water chemistry (chemical hydrogeology and ionic equilibrium). I have always been annoyed with people assuming water is a simple chemical and the more I read about homeopathy the angrier I get with people who don't understand a topic yet tell everyone they are more knowledgeable than the people who study it.
 
Anyone who has seen how dusty our tapwater is as it comes out of our taps knows more about water than most homeopaths seem to. Perhaps they should invest in microscopes - at least they can SEE the li'l creatures and bits and pieces of junk swimming in it then!
 
I believe that we have actually had direct activity by our sponsor in regard to "clustered water" claims, specifically by Penta. I'm certain I saw something on it in a recent newsletter, and IIRC the Million Dollar Challenge is at issue. :D
 
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