The Improbable 9/11 and its followers

Newtonian

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Some say that the events of the 9/11 is riddled with inconsistencies,
nothing can be further from the truth.

On 9/11 we see 3 skyscrapers with tremendously consise
behavioural characteristics within the broadest of variables.

This is what I see:

Three skyscrapers, incredibly variable damage yet
shockingly similar end results.

Before 9/11 a total global collapse at those speeds
would be so hard to predict , boarderline impossible
since there were no historical evidence to support it.

But on that day it was rule of thumb opposed to unique.

And when NIST was giving the task of explaining the collapse
I thougt this to be the easist of jobs because the variables
did not need to be even remotely specific in order to
replicate the events to ensure consistency and validity
to the hypothesis.

1. The damage to the buildings is of low or little significance,
you could fire a missile at any location of the building above the top
half and be well within the safe zone.

2. The only variabel to take in account was the fires, however
the real variable we see any real difference in is the time
this fires lasted.

Making even a computer model of these occurances could probably
be done in a week if you have the basic simulation software.

Since the only parameter to consider is the duration of the fires
and it would prove the concept.

So we have a model of the trade centers, make a hole that might look
like a plane hit it (just for show since that damage really isnt important)
and put some floors on fire , 2-3-4-5 maybe 10 for good measure.

And BAM results.

Then you replicate the results varying the number of floors on fire to hit
the sweetspot in order to match it to the time.


Since the odds of the trade centers to fall like they did 9/11 from fires would
be from a ballpark number 3 / 1 million some might lead someone to believe
this to be improbable.

Why people believe the official story to be so selfevident I often
compare it to myself still playing the lottery and I sometimes actually
believe that I would win.

Throw a bit of emotion and the nations leader firmly state
"You will play the lottery! Never tolerate outrageous mathmathicians
theories" and the world would be much easier if you follow suit.


I wonder what is taking NIST so long to replicate the collapses , oh well.
 
Welcome to the forums. Now, do you bring any professional expertise to the table on any relevant fields? Fire engineering? Structural engineering? Architecture?
 
Im sorry , no. This is only my observation. I`ve studied physics/automation/process techniques and math. The closest thing to practical structural engineering would be a welders license. I`m basically here to shout my views and learn about how others view the events. When I look at the events from a strictly mathbased and probability calculation I have found the events to be to consise beyond probability.
 
We don't need no stinking engineers and all their confounded numbers and such!!!

Gee willickers, it looked like a CD, an da odds of dem der buildin's all collapsin at one time, well dats ner impossible...it must have been and inside job!!!

TAM:D
 
Problem is that math works both ways especially in terms of probability. It is improbable to believe someone planted explosives in the building unnoticed, atleast shape charges throughout the whole structure.

But I tend to stick on the empirical evidence , and when it comes to the towers and wtc7
the probability of fire causing such consistent failures never before seen is astronomically improbable. But if this should turn out to be true, it would be like
winning the lottery 100 times in a row and someone else by random chance was
buying the tickets for you.
 
Problem is that math works both ways especially in terms of probability. It is improbable to believe someone planted explosives in the building unnoticed, atleast shape charges throughout the whole structure.

But I tend to stick on the empirical evidence , and when it comes to the towers and wtc7
the probability of fire causing such consistent failures never before seen is astronomically improbable. But if this should turn out to be true, it would be like
winning the lottery 100 times in a row and someone else by random chance was
buying the tickets for you.

Proof? Show us the maths.
 
Im sorry , no. This is only my observation. I`ve studied physics/automation/process techniques and math. The closest thing to practical structural engineering would be a welders license. I`m basically here to shout my views and learn about how others view the events. When I look at the events from a strictly mathbased and probability calculation I have found the events to be to consise beyond probability.

Whatever you have to say we have all heard before.Yawn.
 
And when NIST was giving the task of explaining the collapse
I thougt this to be the easist of jobs because the variables
did not need to be even remotely specific in order to
replicate the events to ensure consistency and validity
to the hypothesis.

1. The damage to the buildings is of low or little significance,
you could fire a missile at any location of the building above the top
half and be well within the safe zone.

2. The only variabel to take in account was the fires, however
the real variable we see any real difference in is the time
this fires lasted.

Making even a computer model of these occurances could probably
be done in a week if you have the basic simulation software.

Since the only parameter to consider is the duration of the fires
and it would prove the concept.

So we have a model of the trade centers, make a hole that might look
like a plane hit it (just for show since that damage really isnt important)
and put some floors on fire , 2-3-4-5 maybe 10 for good measure.

And BAM results.



I wonder what is taking NIST so long to replicate the collapses , oh well.

You might want to have a look at these reports

http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/

:)
 
I still havent found the experiment where they prove the hypothesis.

I looked at some computer modeling of the WTC7, yet it seems like they forgot
the collapse bit:P
 
1. The damage to the buildings is of low or little significance,
you could fire a missile at any location of the building above the top
half and be well within the safe zone.

2.



Oh yes, jet planes fully loaded with fuel, traveling at full speed crashing into the buildings and exploding created damage of 'little significance'. Are you insane? People who escaped the twin towers were not surprised they collapsed, and they said the towers were shaking and cracking from within. The collapse of the south tower severly damaged support columns in building 7...
 
Its not that it collapsed that concerns me, its more how it collapsed that is beyond belief. And since it doesnt matter where you hit the building, the same results would occur. Over the last century of building collapses there has been a clear evident tendency of buildings give way at the point of critical damage, either toppling over
or just breaking apart at that localized point. These buildings however decide to suddenly go into global collapse mode completely pulverizing the building.
 
Would love to see how anyone could pull that one off.
Holografic towers? Copperfield having a field day?
 
Problem is that math works both ways especially in terms of probability. It is improbable to believe someone planted explosives in the building unnoticed, atleast shape charges throughout the whole structure.

But I tend to stick on the empirical evidence , and when it comes to the towers and wtc7
the probability of fire causing such consistent failures never before seen is astronomically improbable. But if this should turn out to be true, it would be like
winning the lottery 100 times in a row and someone else by random chance was
buying the tickets for you.
And you are wrong; been an engineer long? Fire destroys the strength of steel, probability 100 percent.

Go ahead disable all your fire systems in your house or building and see what a fire does. LOL, also take off any insulation on local steel on several floors. And ram a large aircraft into your building at 600 mph! Good luck...

You failed, it has been 8 years if you take the next 8 years, work hard, and earn a PhD in structural engineering you will not make such idiotic posts due to your present delusions on 911.

Topple over, that is good one. Talk to some engineers next time before exposing your lack of knowledge and tenancies to believe idiots who spew lies about 911. At least Judy Wood, the beam weapon expert who is insane agrees with some of your views and she was teaching engineering courses at Clemson until they found her to be nuts.

8 years and you bring woo to a skeptic forum. Welcome. What engineering school did you graduate from? What did you make in college physics?
 
And you are wrong; been an engineer long? Fire destroys the strength of steel, probability 100 percent.

Go ahead disable all your fire systems in your house or building and see what a fire does. LOL, also take off any insulation on local steel on several floors. And ram a large aircraft into your building at 600 mph! Good luck...

You failed, it has been 8 years if you take the next 8 years, work hard, and earn a PhD in structural engineering you will not make such idiotic posts due to your present delusions on 911.

Topple over, that is good one. Talk to some engineers next time before exposing your lack of knowledge and tenancies to believe idiots who spew lies about 911. At least Judy Wood, the beam weapon expert who is insane agrees with some of your views and she was teaching engineering courses at Clemson until they found her to be nuts.

8 years and you bring woo to a skeptic forum. Welcome. What engineering school did you graduate from? What did you make in college physics?

Can you point me to a collapse due to fire that replicates the global collapse we witness on 9/11 since this is selfevident?
 
Can you point me to a collapse due to fire that replicates the global collapse we witness on 9/11 since this is selfevident?
8 years and you suffer delusions. What engineering school did you graduate from and why has your education failed you.

Please given in pounds of TNT the kinetic energy of Flight 11 and 175? (E=1/2mv2)

Please give in tons of TNT the collapse energy due to gravity, given the equation E=mgh, for each tower?

Next explain why a fire not fought (no water, no fireman) would not destroy a building? Go ahead make my day.

If you study fire you will find a few skyscrapers totaled by fire; but that would be too much to ask a 911 truther to do real reality based research.

What engineering school is proud to have you spread these delusions?
 

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