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The Historical Jesus

Reno

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Reno
 
Reno said:
deleted post because I realy should have searched this forum more thoroughly before posting...

Reno
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That's because there is no historical Jesus and it frightens you. :)
 
I think if I recall my original post....a while ago now, it was looking for some quick answers to give to my work colleagues who insist that there is proof that Jesus existed. I told them I am sure there is no evidence for this, but I wanted some quick-fire answers.
 
So, what would it prove if there was an historical Jesus ... aside from the fact that He was "just" a man? Or, was He? How would that bring us to accept a spiritual Jesus? If there was no spiritual Jesus, what difference would it make whether there was a physical one or not? It would certainly be a sad excuse for all this religious "behavior" would it not?
 
Reno said:
I think if I recall my original post....a while ago now, it was looking for some quick answers to give to my work colleagues who insist that there is proof that Jesus existed. I told them I am sure there is no evidence for this, but I wanted some quick-fire answers.
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Your colleagues are the one's who need to provide the proof.

Here is some info that that is pretty good at refuting some of the claimed proof; Josephus, etc..

http://www.christianorigins.com/
 
The spirit of God is within us ... Isn't this the essence of what Jesus taught? So, why do we look for Jesus (or God) on the outside? If we could validate the God within us, what difference would it make how He chooses to manifest Himself in the flesh?
 
jjramsey said:
Actually, that URL has stuff from both sides of the issue, including some online books refuting that Jesus of Nazareth was a pure fiction.
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Indeed.. They argue against it. Whether they refute it or not would seem to be a matter of perspective..
 
We have lots of evidence to suggest that a man called Jesus existed. It's callled the New Testament. Now, whether a man called Jesus actually existed or not and, the whole thing is nothing more than an elaborate scheme, remains to be seen. However, if the teachings of Jesus refer to a God which is attainable, then the only conspiracy that exists, would be that of God's.
 
Iacchus said:
The spirit of God is within us ... Isn't this the essence of what Jesus taught? So, why do we look for Jesus (or God) on the outside? If we could validate the God within us, what difference would it make how He chooses to manifest Himself in the flesh?
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Then we should be following a gnostic xianity.

If the message is "God is within all of us" - that is wonderful and should be applauded. Even an atheist can live with that.

However, if the message is "God is outside our realm of interaction and the only way for us to connect with him is through a third party - Jesus. Furthermore, if you don't believe this to be true, you are damned and will spend eternity in hell." Well, that's going over the top a little.

So there can be a big difference between a spiritual Jesus and an historical Jesus.
 
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