The Gun Ban and the Gunman

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The Gun Ban and the Gunman (Jacob Sullum in Reason)

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If some students and faculty members had access to guns during the attack, there's a good chance they could have cut it short. According to witnesses, the killer—identified by police as Cho Seung-Hui, a senior studying English—took his time and paused repeatedly for a minute or so to reload.

In shootings at other schools, armed students or employees have restrained gunmen, possibly preventing additional murders. Four years ago at Appalachian Law School in Grundy, Virginia, a man who had killed the dean, a professor, and a student was subdued by two students who ran to their cars and grabbed their guns. In 1997 an assistant principal at a public high school in Pearl, Mississippi, likewise retrieved a handgun from his car and used it to apprehend a student who had killed three people.

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My point exactly - didn't quote 'em because I could not remember dates/locations - Thanks kindly!!
 
All students should be issued a school-owned gun when they enter school in the morning. The little kids will get a lighter weight gun, like a .25 while the older kids will get Magnums.

In case of accidental firing during the school day all book covers will be made of Kevlar and bulletproof Wonderbras will be sold in the school store.

Guns will be returned to the school at the end of the day. Students will have to use their own personal firearms for protection after 3:00pm
 
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Abdul Alhazred said:
Got any serious ideas about how to deal with it?
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I did my student teaching at Thomas Jefferson H.S. in Brooklyn in 1992 and two students were shot to death there by a third student but it was a bully situation, not mental illness.

As I've mentioned on other threads, parents have to get more involved and stop all this parenting by cell phone. They have to stop ignoring obvious mental health issues with their kids and stop blaming it all violent video games. Stop asking the schools to do everything from keeping their kid's weight down to teaching them about manners and sex.

I seem to recall that after the Columbine killings the police found many, many guns and ammo under one of the murderer's beds. What kind of parent is that?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Get back to me when you have been in a school when there has been a shooting. I have.
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Me too, twice. I firmly believe teachers - properly trained and vetted _ and administrators should be able to carry firearms.
 
Alt+F4 said:
I did my student teaching at Thomas Jefferson H.S. in Brooklyn in 1992 and two students were shot to death there by a third student but it was a bully situation, not mental illness.

As I've mentioned on other threads, parents have to get more involved and stop all this parenting by cell phone. They have to stop ignoring obvious mental health issues with their kids and stop blaming it all violent video games. Stop asking the schools to do everything from keeping their kid's weight down to teaching them about manners and sex.

I seem to recall that after the Columbine killings the police found many, many guns and ammo under one of the murderer's beds. What kind of parent is that?
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While I agree with this point, do you seriously believe it is going to happen - if you know schools - and I do - after middle school most parents lose interest in their childs' school/schooling unless they have to come in for a meeting on discipline or grades.
 
fuelair said:
While I agree with this point, do you seriously believe it is going to happen - if you know schools - and I do - after middle school most parents lose interest in their childs' school/schooling unless they have to come in for a meeting on discipline or grades.
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I think it's the only thing that has the possibility of change. Gun laws in the U.S. aren't going to change. Folks can't be forced into therapy if they don't won't to. The police can't do anything unless their is an overt threat.
 
There was nothing stopping anyone there from being armed. The killer himself was. It would be an act of civil disobedience of course.

I don't like the assumption that if gun permits were honored on the campus, the outcome could have been different when it likely would not have due to low carry rates.
 
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If every American was walking around with a gun, there would be a lot more dead people in the USA.
 
I believe that volunteer professors and select students should be allowed to have access to weapons on Camus. I believe that each professor who gets the ability should have a place where his gun is located where he and only he has access to it as with the students. I believe that each person allowed to do so should also go through mandatory firearm training and should be totally anonymous. Meaning that the general school body doesn't know who it is who has the weapons and who doesn't.

This way, if you are one of those select people and see some madman start shooting up the campus, you can run to get your gun and take them down. If a few professors had a firearms and were on campus at the time, I doubt this guy would of been able to kill more than a few people.
 
I don't recall any school shootings back in the sixties. I do recall that high schools had Junior ROTC armories on campus, complete with arsenals. In fact, my brother carried an M1911a1 pistol with him around school, issued from the armory. He was the 'Platoon Leader' (?), ranking student.

Hmm, have there been any school shootings in schools that have ROTC?
 
casebro said:
I don't recall any school shootings back in the sixties. I do recall that high schools had Junior ROTC armories on campus, complete with arsenals. In fact, my brother carried an M1911a1 pistol with him around school, issued from the armory. He was the 'Platoon Leader' (?), ranking student.

Hmm, have there been any school shootings in schools that have ROTC?
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In 1966 Charles Whitman shot 15 people to death from a tower at the University of Texas at Austin. I don't know if they had an ROTC program at that time.
 
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