The Green New Deal

[Brainster]

AOC rolled out her Green New Deal today:

Under the plan, the electricity system would run entirely on "clean, renewable, and zero-emission sources," the resolution states. It envisions new investments in public transportation, improving building energy efficiency, clean manufacturing and green infrastructure. Investments would prioritize communities that "may otherwise struggle with the transition away from greenhouse gas intensive industries" while also ensuring room for "high-paying union jobs" that include prevailing wages and protect collective bargaining rights. It also pushes to "stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas."

Sounds wonderful, but the devil is in the details. For starters, the GND hand-waves away any questions about funding:

The Federal Reserve can extend credit to power these projects and investments and new public banks can be created to extend credit.

And in case that isn't specific enough:

At the end of the day, this is an investment in our economy, that will grow our wealth as a nation, so the question isn't how we'll pay for it but what will we do with our new shared prosperity.

The document is not all smoke and mirrors; only 90%. Getting down to specifics, they envision ending all air travel in 10 years. No, I'm not kidding:

...build out high-speed rail at a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary...

And no nukes:

A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants.

Oh, and there's this little proposal:

Upgrade or replace every building in the US for state of the art energy efficiency.

The plan claims support from 92% of Democrats and 64% of Republicans, including Democratic presidential contenders Elizabeth Warren, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders and Kirsten Gillibrand among others.

 

[The Big Dog]

You missed the hilarity of the farting cows!

Sen Mazie Hirono (D-HI) on Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal & trying to cut down on air air travel. “That would be pretty hard for Hawaii”

When Crazy Mazie think your plan is crazy... well....

 

[Thermal]

You missed the hilarity of the farting cows!
Sen Mazie Hirono (D-HI) on Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal & trying to cut down on air air travel. “That would be pretty hard for Hawaii”

When Crazy Mazie think your plan is crazy... well....

That's like four in the space of an hour! I predict many more

 

[Ranb]

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

Guaranteeing economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work.

How is she going to get the working public to support that?

There is no real plan yet, and additional taxes are not ruled out. So without air travel, it will be mostly trains and ships? Sailing ships? Perhaps she knows she'll never need an air ambulance. I was fortunate to get an airlift when I open fractured my leg out in the woods.

Ranb

 

[dudalb]

Well, if the Republicans could come up with own Plan for Climate Change and Protecting the Enviorment.....
But they can't because any that would work would violate the Lassize Faire, Let Business Do Whatever It Wants dogma that is the GOP's stock in trade.

 

[dudalb]

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

How is she going to get the working public to support that?

There is no real plan yet, and additional taxes are not ruled out. So without air travel, it will be mostly trains and ships? Sailing ships? Perhaps she knows she'll never need an air ambulance. I was fortunate to get an airlift when I open fractured my leg out in the woods.

Ranb

Not exactly thrilled with it myself.
I think the "high speed rail to replace air travel" is just plain ridiculous
And it's wrong,wrong,wrong on Nuclear Power.
And it's really vague about where the money for all this is going to come from.

 

[The Big Dog]

Well, if the Republicans could come up with own Plan for Climate Change and Protecting the Enviorment.....
But they can't because any that would work would violate the Lassize Faire, Let Business Do Whatever It Wants dogma that is the GOP's stock in trade.

Walk us how that is going to make this mindbendingly awful plan somehow less awful?

thread; here is an awful plan by the progressive numbskulls in Congress.
dudalb: Republicans bad!

seriously do you have a macro or something that automatically posts nonsense like that?

 

[dudalb]

That's like four in the space of an hour! I predict many more

As much as I dislike TBD and his snide cows remark, there is a lot to criticize in the plan.

 

[The Big Dog]

As much as I dislike TBD and his snide cows remark, there is a lot to criticize in the plan.

It is not my snide cow remark!

It is literally in the FAQ! I didn't write it, the goofballs in Congress did.

Farting cow then... farting cows Now.... farting Cows Forever!

You will have to rip the farting cows out of my cold dead hands....

I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government: "I have nothing to offer but milk, manure, moos, tears and farts."

Meanwhile, the House should prepare itself for hard and heavy tidings. I have only to add that nothing which may happen in this cattle can in any way relieve us of our duty to defend the cows cause to which we have vowed ourselves; nor should it destroy our confidence in our power to make our way, as on former occasions in our history, through disaster and through grief to the ultimate defeat of our enemies's farts.

 

[Thermal]

As much as I dislike TBD and his snide cows remark, there is a lot to criticize in the plan.

There is always room for criticism and improvements, agreed. Any floundering steps in the right direction are a good thing, though.

Re: cow farts. As silly as it seems, the methane produced by massive cow farming is believed to have a measurably negative impact on the environment

 

[Thermal]

It is not my snide cow remark!

It is literally in the FAQ! I didn't write it, the goofballs in Congress did.

Farting cow then... farting cows Now.... farting Cows Forever!

You will have to rip the farting cows out of my cold dead hands....

I would say to the House, as I said to those who have joined this Government: "I have nothing to offer but milk, manure, moos, tears and farts."

Meanwhile, the House should prepare itself for hard and heavy tidings. I have only to add that nothing which may happen in this cattle can in any way relieve us of our duty to defend the cows cause to which we have vowed ourselves; nor should it destroy our confidence in our power to make our way, as on former occasions in our history, through disaster and through grief to the ultimate defeat of our enemies's farts.

Just...just too many to hilite...the Ides of March have cut loose their hideous flatulence

 

[Belz...]

Not exactly thrilled with it myself.
I think the "high speed rail to replace air travel" is just plain ridiculous
And it's wrong,wrong,wrong on Nuclear Power.

Agreed.

 

[bytewizard]

Upgrade or replace every building in the US for state of the art energy efficiency.

Perhaps more energy efficient walls?

 

[The Big Dog]

The twitter posse is slaughtering AOC's sacred (farting) cows:

Other Green Dream promises

 

[dudalb]

I guess it's good to start a serious discussion, but it's really badly flawed as a plan.
Needless to say, it is being savagely attack by the Trump supporters, but ,sadly, their attacks seemed to be based on the "Climate Change Is A Huge Scam'.
We are dealing with too extremes here: People who just want to pretend that Climate Change does not exist, and and unrealistic plan to fix it.
Another criticism of the plan is that an awful lot of it seems pretty unconnected to real enviormental problems and is just wish list of progressive proposols.

 

[dudalb]

The twitter posse is slaughtering AOC's sacred (farting) cows:

Other Green Dream promises

OK, granted the The New Green Deal has many flaws, what are your proposols for dealing with Climate CHange?:
Or do you prefer to pretend it's not a real problem?

 

[dudalb]

Agreed.

The total dismissal of Nuclear Power is pure pandering to all the ex hippies out there.
I think the enviormental movment made a huge mistake in it's rejection of nuclear power. Totally based on "Nuclear is BAD" rather then any real reasoning.

 

[dudalb]

Walk us how that is going to make this mindbendingly awful plan somehow less awful?

thread; here is an awful plan by the progressive numbskulls in Congress.
dudalb: Republicans bad!

seriously do you have a macro or something that automatically posts nonsense like that?

We are waiting for your proposols for dealing with Climate Change.
I won't hold my breath.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Unicorns and Rainbows.

 

[The Big Dog]

OK, granted the The New Green Deal has many flaws, what are your proposols for dealing with Climate CHange?:
Or do you prefer to pretend it's not a real problem?

It would appear that this thread is for the purpose of ridiculing the idiotic green plan foisted by wildly out of touch lunatics this morning.

But as for myself, i adhere to a three part plan:

1. Nukes, nukes and more nukes.
2. leave my farting cows alone
3. if it don't work out, I hear tell that it is going to work out pretty good for us folks around the great lakes, so.... win the water wars i shall...