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The GREAT Presidents...

Larspeart

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As a fun little topic, and one that may generate some good discussion, I would like yo know everyone's 'Great' presidents. I am not asking you to rank them all. I would just like to know maybe your Top 5 (in order), and any reasoning you would like to add behind your picks.

Mine-

Washington (way, way ahead of anyone else)
Lincoln (comfortably in second)
THEODORE Roosevelt (not the other one)
Andrew Jackson
Reagan
 
Larspeart said:
As a fun little topic, and one that may generate some good discussion, I would like yo know everyone's 'Great' presidents. I am not asking you to rank them all. I would just like to know maybe your Top 5 (in order), and any reasoning you would like to add behind your picks.

Mine-

Washington (way, way ahead of anyone else)
Lincoln (comfortably in second)
THEODORE Roosevelt (not the other one)
Andrew Jackson
Reagan
Great, how? Great head of hair? Reagan, Jackson and Roosevelt all qualify. This kind of thing is really difficult to measure even with a set of guidelines.
 
Ah, I purposely left it open so that YOU al could give your OWN reasons. I don't want to limit or subject the rankings.

I know we have all seen the 'Presidential Rankings' papers that come out periodically (or maybe some of your haven't), and they give a myriad of reasons. if you would like, use theirs. If you DON'T and have your own, please use them, and explain yours.

It's my thread. I don't have to explain mine, :D (although i will later in the thread).
 
Why is Jackson great? I wouldn't call a staunch supporter of slavery who once summarily executed one of his soldiers "great". Why is Reagan "great"? I know why some people think Lincoln is great, but I disagree. My personal favorites are Washington (truly great), Teddy R and Thomas Jefferson. I'd say the vast majority or presidents are span the range from fairly average to insipid to monstrously inept. I mean really, they're almost all polticians, how "great" can they really be?
 
You didn't explain your reasons any better then I did, :) .

Again, the criteria are all for YOU to decide. You gave three (two which were on my list, and one who would be in my top 10 for sure, I might add)... now why?
 
Tony said:
Why is Jackson great? I wouldn't call a staunch supporter of slavery who once summarily excited one of his soldiers "great".
How did he excite his soldier?

Tickled him in a sensitive place?

Dressed suggestively?

Talked dirty to him?

Stuck his tongue in the guy's ear?

Jackson. Wow. Who knew?
 
BPSCG said:
How did he excite his soldier?

Tickled him in a sensitive place?

Dressed suggestively?

Talked dirty to him?

Stuck his tongue in the guy's ear?

Jackson. Wow. Who knew?

Sorry, typo. I corrected. :)
 
Oh, Lincoln and Washington are 1 and 2, not necessarily in that order. The reasons are, I think, well-enough known.

FDR and Reagan are 3 and 4, again not necessarily in that order.

FDR's success at getting the country out of the Great Depression is debatable, but there's no question he inspired renewed confidence in a country shaken by his predecessor's inability to deal with bad economic times. You can say the same for Reagan.

And FDR led a doubtful country into the fight against the fascist threat to civilization, supporting Britain when it alone stood against Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo. And ultimately emerged victorious against that threat.

And Reagan led a doubtful country into the fight against the communist threat to civilization. And ultimately emerged victorious against that threat.

You could make a case for any of a half-dozen for number 5: Truman, TR top the list.

Jefferson was a great man but not so much for his presidency.
And you don't exclude Jackson for what he did before he was president, Tony.
 
Larspeart said:
You didn't explain your reasons any better then I did, :) .

Again, the criteria are all for YOU to decide. You gave three (two which were on my list, and one who would be in my top 10 for sure, I might add)... now why?


I assume you're talking to me.

Washington because he set the standard for future presidents (2 terms) and because he didn't declare himself king after he expelled the ruddy red coats.

Teddy R. because he was honest (kept his word and didn't try for a third term), and I think he really believed in making america a better place for all citizens rich or poor.

Jefferson because he played a major role in laying down the ideological foundations of our country (separation between church and state).
 
1. Washington (1): More than any single individual, the man who got the country off to a good start under its new Constitution.
2. Lincoln (16): Brilliant man who kept the nation together in its darkest hour.
3. Jackson (7): Put the concept of checks and balances into practice, often to the annoyance of Congress, by exercising the strength of the presidency and appealing to the people.
4. Truman (33): Had enormous shoes to fill, and unexpectedly found himself in some of the most difficult situations a president must face, yet he managed them well with grit and common sense.
5. F. Roosevelt (32): Truly a leader who saw the nation through some of its most difficult times, a man who foresaw the role of the US government domestically and abroad.

This is tough, because there are some presidents who were independently great outside the presidency [such as Adams (2), Jefferson (3), Madison (4), Monroe (5) and Grant (18)], and some presidents had episodes of greatness [such as Kennedy (35) who spurred the space program, Tyler (10) who defined the role of the vice president becoming president, Lyndon Johnson (36) who was an outstanding consensus builder, and Ford (38) who cleaned up quite a bit of Nixon's (37) mess].
 
Brown has best demonstrated the intent of this thread. Thanks mate! /clapping


Good, well-thought, yet short answers. I'm happy.


<----- FDR-hater, but we are all entitled to our own opinions. Most people put him in the top-5 (and a lot in their top-3) so I realize i am in a minority on him, haha!
 
Tony said:

That's right. This is about the President's DURING their presidency, NOT events that took place before or after.

Were that the case, I would have titled this 'Great PEOPLE'. This is to focus solely on their work while in office.
 
Jackson gets some points for number 5 with his handling of the nullification crisis. Threatened to lead the army himself to hunt down and hang any nullifiers. Postponed the Civil War by 30 years.
 
(1) Jefferson, because against his political nature, he made the decision to purchase the Louisiana Territory, despite his concerns that this was not in the power of the Presidency...and in doing so, changed the very nature of America.
(2) Lincoln, who faced perhaps the greatest crisis the United States has ever faced, took actions in 1861 while Congress was not in session that probably saved the Union after Ft. Sumter, and managed to successfully negotiate a Cabinet that had at least three members (maybe more) that thought they were more qualified to be President than he was (Seward, Chase, Stanton--any others BPSCG?)
(3) Washington, more for what he didn't do, which was to play partisan politics (he made good use of both Hamiton and Jefferson), overstate the power of the Presidency, and leave after two terms, thus allowing the peaceful transfer of power when many would have been happy to have him President in perpetuity.
(4) TR Roosevelt, for being one of the few Presidents who were both patrician (he came from a very well-to-do family) and yet had worked with his hands and knew the feeling of being personally shot at. Establishing conservation ideals and busting trusts, that "damn Cowboy" ran against the grain and was perhaps the first president elected on his popularity rather than his political connections.
(5) FDR, not because of anything in particular he did, but, to quote an old Jimmy Breslin line about Churchill, "He was there when he was needed". We can argue about Social Security and the NRA (not the gun folks) and Court-packing and any number of things over the 13 years, but looking back it's hard to concieve of anybody else in the role. Willkie? Dewey? Al Smith? All able men, no doubt, but could they have led the nation with the confidence and optomism of Roosevelt?

Note, I purposely did not tag anybody from the past 40 years, since there is simply too little time for historical perspective on them.
 
Hutch said:
(2) Lincoln, who faced perhaps the greatest crisis the United States has ever faced, took actions in 1861 while Congress was not in session that probably saved the Union after Ft. Sumter, and managed to successfully negotiate a Cabinet that had at least three members (maybe more) that thought they were more qualified to be President than he was (Seward, Chase, Stanton--any others BPSCG?)
David McCullough, in Ken Burns's Civil War documentary, says that the only thing everyone in Lincoln's cabinet could agree on was that any one of them was better qualified to be president than Lincoln. Presumably that included the estimable Simon Cameron, Lincoln's first secretary of war, who, Lincoln observed, was so corrupt that, "the only thing he wouldn't steal is a red-hot stove."
Note, I purposely did not tag anybody from the past 40 years, since there is simply too little time for historical perspective on them.
Yeah, and so you wouldn't have to justify leaving Reagan off your list.:p
 
Larspeart said:
As a fun little topic, and one that may generate some good discussion, I would like yo know everyone's 'Great' presidents.

I made a thread a couple of months ago called "Grade the Presidents." I went through and graded all the Presidents in order; I got up to FDR and then the thread mysteriously disappeared.

Washington (way, way ahead of anyone else)

Agreed. I put Polk a close second. Washington and Polk were the only two As I gave.

Lincoln (comfortably in second)

>COUGH< >SPUTTER< WHAT???? Comfortably in second? This guy arrests tens of thousands of American citizens in northern states without charge or access to an attorney, shuts down newspapers and puts editors in jail for having the audacity to print articles critical of the war, incites a race riot, ignores posse comitatus and uses the military against his own (again, northern) citizens, declares martial law and suspends habeas corpus, he had no problem dividing the country in half and destroying 600,000 lives to maintain his own megalomaniacal control...just what the ()*&^*% would a President have to do to earn your scorn? How can any honest person of integrity put Lincoln any higher than the bottom of a very putrid dungheap?
 
Larspeart said:
That's right. This is about the President's DURING their presidency, NOT events that took place before or after.

You should have said that in the OP.
 

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