The Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade

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Straight out of Catch-22:
The Republican National Committee’s chairperson has said that all GOP primary candidates should sign a pledge promising to support the eventual party nominee if they wish to participate in the presidential debates.
Ronna McDaniel, the RNC’s leader since 2017, told CNN in an interview Sunday that even though the debate criteria have not yet been released, the loyalty pledge should nevertheless be a “no-brainer” for the party’s presidential hopefuls.

“If you’re going to be on the Republican National Committee debate stage asking voters to support you, you should say, ‘I’m going to support the voters and who they choose as the nominee’,” McDaniel told CNN host Dana Bash.

“Anyone getting on the Republican national committee debate stage should be able to say, ‘I will support the will of the voters and the eventual nominee of our party,’” she added.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/26/republican-primary-candidates-loyalty-pledge

Already, The Orange BLOATUS is umming and ahhing about the need to do this. Says he won't sign such an oath unless he is the winner. Any more proof needed of a mental breakdown?

Catch-22 was a tragi-comedic anti-war rant. In it, the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade was conceived as a means to exclude a character from the crusade to make him appear disloyal, a cardinal sin. Is this what is happening to The Donster? Could it happen to a nicer psychopath?
 
Norman Alexander said:
Straight out of Catch-22:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/26/republican-primary-candidates-loyalty-pledge

Already, The Orange BLOATUS is umming and ahhing about the need to do this. Says he won't sign such an oath unless he is the winner. Any more proof needed of a mental breakdown?

Catch-22 was a tragi-comedic anti-war rant. In it, the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade was conceived as a means to exclude a character from the crusade to make him appear disloyal, a cardinal sin. Is this what is happening to The Donster? Could it happen to a nicer psychopath?
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Just read this. It's absurd of course.That said, many of my fellow democrats would have prolly done this in previous elections.
 
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gabeygoat said:
Just read this. It's absurd of course.That said, many of my fellow democrats would have prolly done this in previous elections.
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Many would support the nominee, many did, many will again. But many would resent being required to swear to it. But it's the kind of thing the Warp12's of this world would approve of. Victory at any price.
 
I suspect it is not so much who swears an oath of loyalty as who does not. The GOP are well aware that Trump will do no such thing - they know him too well. So my question is: Are the GOP banking on Trump refusing to sign this meaningless oath as a method of excluding him from being a GOP candidate?
 
Norman Alexander said:
I suspect it is not so much who swears an oath of loyalty as who does not. The GOP are well aware that Trump will do no such thing - they know him too well. So my question is: Are the GOP banking on Trump refusing to sign this meaningless oath as a method of excluding him from being a GOP candidate?
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If I were a betting man I would bet not. I'd bet that the always-accommodating brown-nosers will apply the rule to everyone but Trump, whom they'll excuse because just because.
 
bruto said:
Many would support the nominee, many did, many will again. But many would resent being required to swear to it. But it's the kind of thing the Warp12's of this world would approve of. Victory at any price.
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Agreed on all points.
 
bruto said:
If I were a betting man I would bet not. I'd bet that the always-accommodating brown-nosers will apply the rule to everyone but Trump, whom they'll excuse because just because.
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^ This.

IMO it's an oath to ensure that when President Trump becomes the GOP nominee, he enjoys the full support of the party - as if that was ever in doubt. :rolleyes:
 
The Don said:
^ This.

IMO it's an oath to ensure that when President Trump becomes the GOP nominee, he enjoys the full support of the party - as if that was ever in doubt. :rolleyes:
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Yep. Ronna McDaniel is a full-fledged, card carrying member of the Cult of Trump.
 
And yet the back half of that report was this:
a recent Donald Trump interview clip in which the former president indicated to conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt that he was unsure whether he would support the eventual GOP nominee if it wasn’t him.

“It would have to depend on who the nominee was,” said Trump, who announced himself as a 2024 candidate in the fall.

Responding to that clip, McDaniel said, “I think they’re all going to sign” the loyalty pledge. She added: “I really do. I think President Trump would like to be on the debate stage."
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She may be a through-and-through MAGA cultist, but I suspect she has seriously misjudged Donny's motives and SOP, and pretty much lost sight of the reality that is The Bloatser in action. Of course he won't sign - there's nothing in it for him if he did. Of course they will allow him to debate - they don't want him running as a spoiler independent. So all this loyalty oath nonsense she is gleefully touting will make her look ultra silly. And Trump won't give a ****.
 
Norman Alexander said:
And yet the back half of that report was this:

She may be a through-and-through MAGA cultist, but I suspect she has seriously misjudged Donny's motives and SOP, and pretty much lost sight of the reality that is The Bloatser in action. Of course he won't sign - there's nothing in it for him if he did. Of course they will allow him to debate - they don't want him running as a spoiler independent. So all this loyalty oath nonsense she is gleefully touting will make her look ultra silly. And Trump won't give a ****.
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He might sign it, but there is no way in hell he would abide by it.
 
Norman Alexander said:
He'll get a flunky to sign it so he has plausible deniability. And yes, he would never abide by it if things turned to **** for him.
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I don't think he really cares about the "plausible" part. He will just claim the primaries were rigged if he doesn't win the nomination, and therefore can't abide by the terms of the pledge. How awesome would it be if his diehard followers pulled a January 6th at the RNC.
 
Norman Alexander said:
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Already, The Orange BLOATUS is umming and ahhing about the need to do this. Says he won't sign such an oath unless he is the winner. Any more proof needed of a mental breakdown?
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That's pretty much what he said in 2016. No surprise there.
 
trump signed a loyalty oath in 2015. On September 3, 2015 CNN (among others) reported:
The Republican presidential front-runner met privately with Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus Thursday afternoon, and soon after, came out to the lobby of Trump Tower to declare that he has signed a loyalty pledge. This means Trump has promised to support the party’s eventual nominee – whoever that may be – and that he will not run as a third-party candidate. “The best way for the Republicans to win is if I win the nomination and go directly against whoever they happen to put up. And for that reason, I have signed the pledge,” Trump said, holding up the paper. “So I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party and for the conservative principles for which it stands.” CNN link
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I think the highlighted part above was the key then, as it is now. That the Republican leadership is looking for a way to prevent having trump launch a third party campaign if he fails to win the GOP nomination to run for president in 2024. Having trump run as a third party presidential candidate -- the MAGA Party? -- would almost certainly destroy the Republicans' chances of having their candidate elected president in 2024. Worrying that if trump fails to win the party's nomination he will then proceed to destroy the party's chances in 2024 seems like a legitimate worry. Remember what Tucker Carlson said? donald trump is "the undisputed world champion" for "destroying things."

Republicans thinking they can control trump by having him sign a piece of paper is ludicrous. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
 
//Insert my standard rant that Primaries literally only make one single ounce of sense if they are party leadership telling the party street level voters who to vote for and any and every attempt to present it as working the other way is stupid.//
 
newyorkguy said:
...Remember what Tucker Carlson said? donald trump is "the undisputed world champion" for "destroying things."...
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trump has a long history for destroying things. This brings to mind the United States Football League debacle. The USFL was a Spring football league and surprisingly successful in its first two seasons, 1983 and 1984. Then donald trump got involved. He orchestrated their moving to a Fall schedule in 1986 and suing the National Football League on anti-trust grounds. As a result, trump effectively destroyed the league.

The USFL never had a 1986 season. They were gone.
 
newyorkguy said:
trump has a long history for destroying things. This brings to mind the United States Football League debacle. The USFL was a Spring football league and surprisingly successful in its first two seasons, 1983 and 1984. Then donald trump got involved. He orchestrated their moving to a Fall schedule in 1986 and suing the National Football League on anti-trust grounds. As a result, trump effectively destroyed the league.

The USFL never had a 1986 season. They were gone.
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President Trump has yet to destroy the Republican Party.

Given the demographic timebomb they are facing, you could argue that under his stewardship they have outperformed expectations. I'm not sure what other candidate could get that close to being re-elected despite overseeing a disastrous pandemic response and a recession.

The Republicans may have underperformed against their stretch goals but they still took the house and came within a whisker of taking the senate.

There are a *lot* of people out there who will turn out to vote for President Trump or his chosen MAGA candidate who simply would not turn out to vote for a more conventional Republican candidate.
 
So we've gone from Stupid Watergate to Stupid McCarthyism, and getting that "at long last, have you no shame?" matter settled early in the process.

JoeMorgue said:
//Insert my standard rant that Primaries literally only make one single ounce of sense if they are party leadership telling the party street level voters who to vote for and any and every attempt to present it as working the other way is stupid.//
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It could work the other way too, as a means of airing grievances and allowing debate on subjects outside the Overton window in general politics. It fails when you try to have it both ways, telling people that primaries are their chance to influence party politics but keeping your thumb firmly on the scale, satisfying nobody.
 
The Don said:
President Trump has yet to destroy the Republican Party.
Given the demographic timebomb they are facing, you could argue that under his stewardship they have outperformed expectations. I'm not sure what other candidate could get that close to being re-elected despite overseeing a disastrous pandemic response and a recession.

The Republicans may have underperformed against their stretch goals but they still took the house and came within a whisker of taking the senate.

There are a *lot* of people out there who will turn out to vote for President Trump or his chosen MAGA candidate who simply would not turn out to vote for a more conventional Republican candidate.
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Unfortunately, the Republican Party might be too big for him to destroy. He can still cause significant damage that may take years to repair, or may lead to a gradual demise. But I don't think even he can completely destroy them. I hope he loses the nomination, runs an independent campaign, ensures a Democratic win, and maybe takes down some Republican Senate and House candidates because some of his voters will be so angry that they won't vote for any Republican. I'm not holding my breath waiting for this.
 
I don't think the Republicans are worried about trump destroying the Republican Party. As I wrote previously, I think they are worried about trump destroying the party's chances to elect a president in 2024. I think they're right to be worried.
 
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