The Girl with "X-ray" vision

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Did anyone see that show a few nights ago on the TLC channel about her?

Under totally controlled tests done by the skeptical CSICOP organization, they had stated if she could identify 5 out of 7 unknown illnesses, with the people totally blind to what she was doing, they would have to admit her ability to see inside people was real. They said the odds would be 250 to 1 I think.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1370018.html?menu=
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1434
First of all this girl has just been cheated in the USA by Wiseman and Hyman.......... they fraudulently changed the experiment minutes before her test to one she has never done before.

Once again Wiseman cheated by moving the goal posts....... and even then this girl scored 4 out of 7 and odds were 50 to 1....... did they conduct more test, did they treat her fairly not a chance they did. SCICOP are debunkers and will never be fair open and honest to a psychic
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http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/483/

If she had gotten 1 more correct one of the worst most skeptical organizations would have bowed down to her. Of course, that is why they changed it at the last minute and threw in some very odd subjects and things.

Some Qigong masters in China can do the same thing and more.

I saw that show last night. She was one point away from having CSICOP admit she had powers. But, CSICOP is too smart, they know to f*** with the test.

She thought the other two would be hard and said that before hand, the shortened esophagus, because different people might have different esophagus lengths naturally.

Think about it, the one she got wrong, and had she got it right she would have proven her abiltiy beyond a doubt, and that one she got wrong was not an internal organ. Remember, her claim was that she could see internal organs and if they aren't functioning well, and nothing else really. But the dishonset CSICOP knew to add some confusing ones in there, throwing in a patient with a metal plate in them at the last minute.

Think about it, you don't have a clue how she's seeing what she sees. Why in particular, should a metal plate be as visible to her as an inner organ? Maybe she sees the energy of the organ. In that case she's seeing the acupuncture meridian connected to the organ and the inner organ's energy signature. Obviously a metal plate has no acupuncture meridian, and does not have the same energy as an actual organ

CSICOP said 5 out of 7, 1 in 250 odds, was sufficient. She got 4. It seems to be the only time she failed any test. 2 of them, shortened esophagus and removed appendix, she said before the test might be problematic for her.

Anyways, she said before hand she probably couln't do the shortened esophagus or the removed appendix. Think about it, those conditions aren't really diseases, and there are no appendix, esophagus, or steel plate meridians. Also, those three conditions had already healed, they aren't diseases. She got the 4 real diseases correct at 1 in 50 odds.
 
Sounds like the perfect subject for Randi's challenge. Would be nice to see her prove it too. Would shut the mouths of alot of ignorant skeptics on this board who think they know everything.
 
I've never met a skeptic who claimed to know everything. We tend to make a big deal about not knowing everything and how thrilling discovery is. Unfortunately, believers aren't interested in sharing their discoveries by, you know, providing evidence.
 
I've met a few already on this board who keeps posting that they know with an undeniable fact that something does not exist and is "WOO" as they call it. Yes its up to someone who claims something exists by providing proof. But when that proof is given, a skeptic always denies the validity of the evidence by questioning the source of the evidence or the credibility of the person providing the evidence. If this girl can do what she does in the randi test, it would at least prove that some skeptics are wrong about the existence of something outside our current realm of science.

How can skeptics doubt that our current level of science is pitiful and that we still don't understand at least 99% of our universe around us?
 
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This has been up for a long time on the CSICOP site. It wasn't just CSICOP, she failed with other interviewers as well. She said she could see every cell in a human body but she couldn't see a metal plate or missing appendix? These were both on the same man, by the way, not two different people but she still said the man was healthy. Again, she said she could see every cell in a human body and tell what's wrong, so you'd think the absence of cells would be a tell tale sign. Also, she claimed she could see through clothes but when asked if a curtain could be put between her and the subject she said she couldn't see through it, but she couldn't see a metal plate? Or, to be more correct, if a curtain blocks her abilities wouldn't a metal plate block them and thus she could have at least say, "something's blocking my ability in this man, in this area."

I've read other articles on her and like most extraordinary claims, only those that totally believe her can find examples where she is right and then ignore all the times she was wrong.
 
If what she sees is some sort of life energy, the metal plate wouldn't be emitting anything therefore would totally be invisible to her.

As for absence of an appendix. Is she a doctor or medical student. How would she know about an organ she has no knowledge of unless she can see it? Think about it. If I didn't know anything about cars would I know it if you removed alternator from the engine block?
 
If she doesn't have medical knowledge, how can she diagnose?

Of course, all these questions and speculations are pointless until she can pass a proper test.
 
MoonDragn said:
Sounds like the perfect subject for Randi's challenge. Would be nice to see her prove it too.
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It is and it certainly would be.

Funny how she doesn't apply then, isn't it?

Or these Qigong masters.



By the way Moondragn I've noticed how your posts appear to be getting angrier and angrier for some reason.

This is often the case when cherished beliefs are questioned.
 
If this girl can do what she does in the randi test
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This girl is a fraud, pure and simple. Note the claim has now changed to where she only needs your picture to tell what is wrong with you. Just your passport photo, in fact. This is nothing but the usual hype and inaccurate reporting. The fact that she was text messaging during the test is pretty strange....

Let's just read what CSICOP actually says.

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/natasha.html
 
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If what she sees is some sort of life energy, the metal plate wouldn't be emitting anything therefore would totally be invisible to her.

As for absence of an appendix. Is she a doctor or medical student. How would she know about an organ she has no knowledge of unless she can see it? Think about it. If I didn't know anything about cars would I know it if you removed alternator from the engine block?
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So your explanation is that she can't detect anything that is there that shouldn't be, she also can't detect anything that isn't there and should be, and she doesn't have any medical knowledge to evaluate what she can see.

Why do people have to stretch so?
 
Is she a doctor or medical student. How would she know about an organ she has no knowledge of unless she can see it?
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If I have X-ray vision I can pretty quickly see what is different between people. If I line up seven folks, how many won't have an appendix?

The claims are silly and do not stand up to the simplest questions. The girl has no paranormal abilities, period. What she has is a lot of hype, a lot of believers, and a lot of cash coming in, plus one badly done CSICOP test.
 
"Professor Machi said: "We did a whole range of tests, and the strangest thing was that we found she could also use her abilities on photographs, even on tiny passport photos"


She isn't seeing some sort of energy if you believe this quote from the article. if she can do it through photos, then I really can't see why she can't see a metal plate, but then I don't understand "Superpowers" like "Professor Yoshio Machi at Tokyo University, who specialises in studying apparent superpowers in human beings"

She is doing some sort of guessing. I don't know how magicians can do the mind reading trick, but I know it's a trick and I think she is doing something similar
 
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Example, please?
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Ok I'll do what other skeptics here do all the time, quote things out of context :

Ashles said:
But no. Of course. Psychics aren't interested in money. Or helping anyone else with that money obviously.
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and a good example of it here :

LTC8K6 said:
The claims are silly and do not stand up to the simplest questions. The girl has no paranormal abilities, period. What she has is a lot of hype, a lot of believers, and a lot of cash coming in, plus one badly done CSICOP test.
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'The invisible agenda' always amuses me. There's no reason for it, no evidence for it...

What do woo's have to lose if their beliefs are disproven? A lot. They derive comfort from feeling that they know something that others fail to see. It's the only explanation for why they choose (and I sincerely feel it has to be a choice) to not see how science works.

What do skeptics have to lose if their beliefs are disproven? Nothing...but look at what they have to gain! New discoveries to play with, to ask questions about! I would so love such abilities to exist; it would open up new possibilities. New treatments, new ways to diagnose. New answers to how biology works.

But in order for me to really trust in the existence of such things, they need evidence. Real evidence.

She succeeded attaining 50 - 1 odds. So? Even 100 - 1 odds happen frequently each day. Countless million to one odds happen every year all over the world. Such tests are good places to start, but to insinuate it's where we dust our hands and say 'there's your proof' is mindnumbingly ignorant.

Athon
 
Ashles said:
So your explanation is that she can't detect anything that is there that shouldn't be, she also can't detect anything that isn't there and should be, and she doesn't have any medical knowledge to evaluate what she can see.

Why do people have to stretch so?
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no, my explaination is that how the hell do we know what it is she is actually detecting? Stop making stupid assumptions. This was a case where the obvious parameters they agreed upon for the test was changed. Why do skeptics have to be so dense?

What do believers have to gain? Credibility AND also the ability to advance science if they are right. The same thing that skeptics say they wish for.


Skeptics on the other hand really don't want to see change. They prefer their old world views. When the things in their world rock they dig in their claws denying the existence of everything.

When they are finally proven wrong, they claim they never denied the existence to begin with and then find something else to criticize.

The people who denied the world was round were the skeptics, the people who denied the earth was not the center of the universe were skeptics. Not the other way around.


Athlon said:
She succeeded attaining 50 - 1 odds. So? Even 100 - 1 odds happen frequently each day. Countless million to one odds happen every year all over the world. Such tests are good places to start, but to insinuate it's where we dust our hands and say 'there's your proof' is mindnumbingly ignorant.
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Isn't that the condition of the "proof" to obtain results other than chance. What constitute a good test then if even something against the odds of chance is just chance and not proof?
 
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MoonDragn said:
If what she sees is some sort of life energy, the metal plate wouldn't be emitting anything therefore would totally be invisible to her.

As for absence of an appendix. Is she a doctor or medical student. How would she know about an organ she has no knowledge of unless she can see it? Think about it. If I didn't know anything about cars would I know it if you removed alternator from the engine block?
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Then wouldn't she at least see a scar? A metal plate must be in place to cover some serious bone loss (I can't think of another reason for a metal plate), wouldn't that be detected? Wouldn't that be a serious flaw or disturbance in this "life force"? I didn't even know about her ability to do this with photos, then why couldn't she do it through a curtain? She can diagnose from a passport photo for someone who isn't even there, but someone right next to her is undiagnosable due to a simple curtain between the two? But clothes are just fine? What if the person wore the curtain, would that stop her or does wearing the curtain make it clothes and become okay?

Sorry, I'm new here and I'm not the type to just say "she's a fraud." I prefer to point out reasons WHY she APPEARS to be a fraud and to ask questions that makes the person making the claim explain or at least think about them.
 
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