the draft - brought to you by the Democrats

[Nie Trink Wasser]

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg

Read the press release, it's almost scary... but who wrote it?

HR-163
Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. D-NY
Cosponsors:
Rep Abercrombie, Neil D-HI
Rep Brown, Corrine D-FL
Rep Christensen, Donna M. D-VI
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy D-MO
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. D-MI
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. D-MD
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. D-FL
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila D-TX
Rep Lewis, John D-GA
Rep McDermott, Jim D-WA
Rep Moran, James P. D-VA
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes D-DC
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete D-CA
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. D-NY

S 89
Sponsor: Sen Hollings, Ernest F. D-SC
Cosponsors: *** NONE ***

That's right, you can thank your Democratic Congressional Conference. Not only did they introduce the Bill, but they are also responsible for all press releases related to it (as published on Congress.org).

So why would they tell us?


"The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections"


The Democratic Party entirely drafted and submitted a Bill to legislature so the Republican party could "sneak it in" and then wrote a press release to underdermine their own Bill? Am I the only one that finds such a blatant lying morally offensive? Is this what the Democratic party has come to? Preying in the misinformation of thier constituents? Do you really enjoy your "representative" party manipulating you?

 

[Tony]

It's no surprise that the "steal your money at the point of a gun to pay for our cause" party is also the "force you into slavery to fight for our cause" party.

 

[Ladewig]

But the good news is that if you don't want to kill people, you can join the NOAA or PHS.

From H. R. 163

(4) The term `uniformed services' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and commissioned corps of the Public Health Service.

 

[Corwyn]

who will pay

and most importantly HOW?

I haven't read the bills and I don't know the numbers, but I am guessing that the kind of increase in the number of people in service this would invlve will cost $Billions.

And what about lagistics? Where will these millions of slaves err I mean inductees got through basic and live and eat and etc. ?


Or are they all winging this along with the exit plan from Iraq?
Or are they just thinking, that these will just be replacements for all the future casualties?

C

 

[AtheistArchon]

It's no surprise that the "steal your money at the point of a gun to pay for our cause" party is also the "force you into slavery to fight for our cause" party.

- Iraq is a Dem cause?! Wow, who'd a thunk it. I suppose as soon as GWB gets out of office, all the neocon chickenhawks will start condemning the invasion and blaming it on, oh whatever the cause of the day is... Chelsie Clinton or something.

But the good news is that if you don't want to kill people, you can join the NOAA or PHS.

- You don't have to kill anyone even if you join the four primary armed services. Anyone can declare themselves as an objector and get a desk job. Of course, this doesn't mean you're not going to GET killed, it just means you won't be made to kill anyone else.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

It's no surprise that the "steal your money at the point of a gun to pay for our cause" party is also the "force you into slavery to fight for our cause" party.

It's just political posturing. A draft is politcally impossible in the present USA.

Rangel et al know this. They want some talking points against the president, not a civil war.

 

[Tmy]

The Demos have been floating the draft since the start of the war.

The purpose is to get the chickenhawks to stick to there guns. If there war is so rightous and right, they wouldnt mind a draft.

Will they still back a war if their kids are on the line??

Plus the public would freak and blame Bush if a draft started.

 

[Tony]

Iraq is a Dem cause?!

Umm, yes it is. You have a short memory.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

But the good news is that if you don't want to kill people, you can join the NOAA or PHS.

Fine if you're taking a principled stand against killing, but that won't necessarily keep you out of a war zone.

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

The Demos have been floating the draft since the start of the war.

The purpose is to get the chickenhawks to stick to there guns. If there war is so rightous and right, they wouldnt mind a draft.

If a draft would be bad for the war effort (as the Generals claim), what's important? Winning the war, or "proving" something politically?

Will they still back a war if their kids are on the line??

Do people whose kids have volunteered support the war?

Plus the public would freak and blame Bush if a draft started.

So the purpose of the proposed draft is to hurt the president? So he vetoes it, eh?

Like I said, talking points, not a serious proposal.

 

[Tony]

If there war is so rightous and right, they wouldnt mind a draft.

That's a non-sequitor.

 

[Tmy]

Do people whose kids have volunteered support the war?

Some do and some dont. Its kidn of a catch 22. You want to support your kid but you dont want him dead. If you're publically against the war you'll embarrass your kid. BUt ask any parent if theyd rather have their kid back home and Im sure most would say yes.

 

[AtheistArchon]

Umm, yes it is. You have a short memory.

- Last I checked, the majority of the people criticizing the invasion are Democrats, and the majority of the people blindly heiling Bush are neocons. It's a party issue for Kerry vs. Bush, and you're saying was a Democratic initiative to invade Iraq. Really stellar... when the potato gets too hot, just pass it off and pretend you never wanted a war in Iraq to begin with, the evil Dems pushed us into it.

- That's when you know a war really is a complete and utter failure, when the neocons blame Democrats for it as soon as they can. Some people just have no shame.

- Causing this horrific mess was a Republican cause. Trying to fix it, that's a Democratic cause.

 

[American]

Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila D-TX

Sheila Jackson Lee? NO WAY! She voted for that?

 

[Tony]

It's a party issue for Kerry vs. Bush, and you're saying was a Democratic initiative to invade Iraq.

Bush is just continuing the policy of Clinton, who was bombing Iraq and complaining about Saddam's WMD's back in the 90's. Many dems, including Kerry, voted to go to war with Iraq. Why are trying to excuse politicians from their responsibility and accountability?

That's when you know a war really is a complete and utter failure, when the neocons blame Democrats for it as soon as they can. Some people just have no shame.

What? What neocons are blaming the dems?

Causing this horrific mess was a Republican cause. Trying to fix it, that's a Democratic cause.

Spoken like a true partisan shill.

 

[Tmy]

Bush is just continuing the policy of Clinton, who was bombing Iraq and complaining about Saddam's WMD's back in the 90's. Many dems, including Kerry, voted to go to war with Iraq. Why are trying to excuse politicians from their responsibility and accountability?

War was never declared.

Congress did that puss move of punting to GW. Sort of a "do whatever you want" thing. Which was a bogus move.

Although if you remember that time we were being bombarded with "proof" that Saddam was this big threat and he was in bed with Bin LAdin.

Patriotic fever was at a high point. The few that did speak against any invasion were branded as traitors and nearly strung up outside the capitol

 

[King of the Americas]

Personally,...

...I am in favor of a draft.

I mean it just insures that everyone will have an equal task in our mission, among ever class.

As it stands today, the poor and or lower to middle classes represent the largest number within our actual fighting forces. Indeed, some middle to upper class persons occupy Officers positions, but most shed the opportunity to serve in our nation's military easily and often.

If I were to get real 'thought provoking' on you, I'd say that we demand that each and every professional athlete be asked to serve no less than 2 years in the military. Why SHOULDN'T the absolute best brightest, biggest and fastest among us be asked to serve, in some part, that which has provided the environment for them to become that which they are???

A draft still insures an all volunteer force. Many who would NOT 'fight' avoid the draft often. Those who show up when drafted, make a choice to do so.

Drafting for a truly "Just & Worthy" cause should be easy to accept.

 

[fishbob]

Bush is just continuing the policy of Clinton, who was bombing Iraq and complaining about Saddam's WMD's back in the 90's. Many dems, including Kerry, voted to go to war with Iraq. Why are trying to excuse politicians from their responsibility and accountability?

You have a short memory.
Clinton was stuck with the mess left by Bush Sr. Just as whoever wins the upcoming election will be stuck with the mess left by the Shrub. Bush Jr may get stuck with his own mess, so he will spend bazillions of dollars and rack up the national debt so you have to pay later instead of paying now. Kerry may be stuck with the mess, so he will spend bazillions of dollars - and may ask you to pay now instead of paying later.

I mean it just insures that everyone will have an equal task in our mission, among ever class.

Don't be fooled. The draft has never and will never 'insure' any kind of equality. There will be loopholes for the well connected.

 

[Tony]

War was never declared.

Congress did that puss move of punting to GW. Sort of a "do whatever you want" thing. Which was a bogus move.

Although if you remember that time we were being bombarded with "proof" that Saddam was this big threat and he was in bed with Bin LAdin.

Patriotic fever was at a high point. The few that did speak against any invasion were branded as traitors and nearly strung up outside the capitol

Any other irrelevant facts to add?

 

[Tmy]

Any other irrelevant facts to add?

Irrelevant???

Ok you are right. Because Kerry voted to give GW approval to take military action in Iraq, HE CAN NEVER COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

Why GW could gas every Iraqis and burn there cities. Kerry couldnt object. After all he gave Bush the power. Whatever happens, its on Kerry's head.