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The Deep State and its real motives

Travis

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Travis
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Oh that whacky Deep State. It can be anything you hate whenever it wants. It can't defend itself because it either doesn't really exist or is out playing a friendly against the CFR with Rothschild serving as a referee. So why not also say that it is actually just about sex with children?

And, hey, while were at it why not prop up Putin as the hero that wants to bring it all down?

via RightWingWatch
On yesterday’s episode of “The Alex Jones Show,” Cernovich accused liberal Hollywood actors of spreading conspiracy theories involving Russian president Vladimir Putin because Putin is opposed to pedophilia.
Cernovich speculated, “What I think is actually going on here is Putin is actually very anti-pedophile and has done a lot of things to fight the –“


Jones interrupted, “Oh no, that’s what it is. There’s a global anti-pedophile network. Now if you’re not for the pedophiles, you’re against them and that’s what it is. And anybody for the deep state is now a pedophile.”
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Did you follow that through the Möbius strip of logic? All the Russia stuff is just a "conspiracy theory" and the real reason the Deep State hates Putin is because he is "very anti-pedophile" because reasons.

Now someone might think it is probably not a good idea for these two men to be so willing to throw around the pedophile accusation after they sorta accused a humble pizza joint of actually being the seventh seal to a Willy Wonka land of underage rape. An accusation that might have led to some unpleasantness. But people that would think they should probably not go down that road don't get just how awesome they think they are.

“They’re fighting hard to shut us up because, why?” Cernovich asked. “What is the common theme, Alex?”
“We’re not pedophiles. We’re not psychopaths. We’re not in the psychopath club,” Jones replied.
“Yeah, if we quit talking about pedophiles and the pedophile rings then they would leave us alone,” Cernovich said. “That’s what this is really about.”
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Yeah people. They are just fighting the good fight against imagined enemies. Who cares if there are real world consequences?

And that Deep State? Clearly it just wants to protect its crimes against these valiant heroes as they maybe will get a pizza joint that actually does do things wrong next time. Maybe. Next time.

And you might be wondering? Why isn't this in the Conspiracy section? Well, because what is the difference these days? The Deep State isn't something that only commenters on the net talk about. It is front line politics.

 
“We’re not pedophiles. We’re not psychopaths. We’re not in the psychopath club,” Jones replied.
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At best only one of those things is true, I'm pretty sure they have a club.
 
Travis said:
Why isn't this in the Conspiracy section? Well, because what is the difference these days? The Deep State isn't something that only commenters on the net talk about. It is front line politics.
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rightwingwatch.org is 'front line politics'?

You're right of course. But the reason there's no difference is that now 'front line politics' is itself a conspiracy theory!
 
Trebuchet said:
Isn't there a whole Bubba thread on this?
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Nah, that is about a huge vague underground pedophile ring. This is about a specific political entity that is trying to get revenge on Putin for being against child rape.

And I must say that I have heard a bunch about Putin but never anything about that.
 
How is reference to the deep state not a topic for the conspiracy theory forums? You are in the wrong forum with this, Travis.
 
Darth Rotor said:
How is reference to the deep state not a topic for the conspiracy theory forums?
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Depends what you mean by the term. It doesn't have to involve any shadowy cabals. It's often used to simply mean the collective self-interest of government employees, divergent from the country at large and even the elected politicians they nominally obey. No conspiracy is necessary for that. In fact, it's an almost unavoidable agency problem.
 
Deep state in the United States
In the United States, the concept of a deep state is an entity which has been alleged to be involved in a coordinated effort by career government employees and others to influence state policy without regard for democratically elected leadership.

The term... has been used in American political science to refer to entrenched government institutions wielding power, without necessarily implying a conspiracy
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If we actually had a democratically elected leadership this might apply, but... even if we did, the 'deep state' is not necessarily a bad ting. Voters are morons, and they elect morons to positions of power. Then those morons attempt to do stupid things that the 'deep state' naturally opposes.

So when we hear that Trump ordered a nuclear strike on North Korea, but for some reason the missiles never got launched, then we will know the Deep State really exists!
 
Well it seems there are two different things here.

There is the fantasy "Deep State" where Obama and Soros are giving marching orders to civil servants who are then conspiring to stop the Trump agenda.

There is the real "deep state" which is civil servants just doing their damned job that happens to be at odds with the right wing nuttery.

But what interests me is that Jones and Cernovich are claiming a new hybrid. They don't seem to be invoking the first they seem, instead, to be claiming the latter version is acting to protect its own interest which happen to be pro-pedophila. And that is why there is an ongoing Trump investigation etc.
 
Travis said:
There is the real "deep state" which is civil servants just doing their damned job that happens to be at odds with the right wing nuttery.
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Of course. Because in a Democracy, the job of government is to ignore elections and the will of voters. :rolleyes:
 
Ziggurat said:
No. Sometimes (ie, when you lose an election), you WANT it to be.
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You must have me confused with someone else. I didn't lose an election.

But in your haste to get your usual jab in, you missed the point: Government ignores the will of the people all the time, one way or another, and sometimes it's justified. I think protecting minorities from abuse is a good example of something congress or the supreme court should enforce even if there's a wave of racial violence in the general population. Wouldn't you agree?
 
Argumemnon said:
You must have me confused with someone else. I didn't lose an election.

But in your haste to get your usual jab in, you missed the point: Government ignores the will of the people all the time, one way or another, and sometimes it's justified. I think protecting minorities from abuse is a good example of something congress or the supreme court should enforce even if there's a wave of racial violence in the general population. Wouldn't you agree?
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And you missed the point: the deep state doesn't ignore the will of the voters because it has to uphold constitutional protections, it ignores the will of voters because it substitutes its own narrow interests for those of voters.
 
Ziggurat said:
And you missed the point: the deep state doesn't ignore the will of the voters because it has to uphold constitutional protections, it ignores the will of voters because it substitutes its own narrow interests for those of voters.
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No, that wasn't what you said. You said "government". Do you agree with what I said with regards to the government?

As for the so-called deep state, how do you know their motives?
 
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