The coming generational storm....America's economic future

jay gw

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The Coming Generational Storm: What You Need to Know about America's Economic Future
by Laurence J. Kotlikoff, Scott Burns

This is a good book I was reading today - the authors, economists, discuss the gigantic problems with Social Security and Medicare, and how Bush's plan doesn't do enough to solve them. The US government has future debts of $45 trillion dollars, and there won't be enough money to pay them. European countries like France also have some of the same problems, as does Japan.

Some of the findings from their look at the present and future payouts of Social Security:

SS and Medicare account for almost all of the future debts of over $45 trillion.

Immigration - even if immigration per year to the United States doubled, it would not be enough to avoid higher payroll taxes to pay out Social Security benefits. Immigration would have to be around 5.5 million people a year to keep the worker to retiree ratio at the current level, to avoid taxes rising and benefits being cut. At 5.5 million per year, the US population would go from 280 million to 335 million - in 10 years - just from immigration.

Since 1960, consumption per retiree has doubled relative to consumption per worker. Baby boomers are those 76 million Americans born between 1946 and 1964, who are about to start retiring. If their consumption keeps rising as retirees, no amount of Social Security payout will be enough. What it means is that the current retirees and baby boomers are not only consuming many of the resources available now, but are indebting future generations as well.

Reviews:

Kotlikoff and Burns (MIT '62) show how to avoid a fiscal crisis in the next generation -- and how to protect yourself if the government acts too late: policy recommendations and individual strategies to protect against skyrocketing tax rates, drastically reduced health and retirement benefits, high inflation, and a ruined currency.

"Among academic experts, Larry Kotlikoff has earned the title 'Mr. Generational Accounting.' His unfuzzy arithmetic decisively rebuts the Bush tax cuts, which are based on the delusion that 5 - 4 = 6, not 1. Read and judge for yourself the specter of our future: too many retirees dependent on too few working-age people. Fiscal imprudence now mandates broken promises later."
--Paul A. Samuelson, Institute Professor Emeritus, MIT, Nobel Prize Winner in Economic Sciences

"Kotlikoff and Burns document and analyze the most serious issue facing the American government today: the looming intergenerational conflict created by its gross failure to develop a consistent plan to fund and manage entitlements for the elderly, the cost of which will explode when the baby boom generation retires. This book is essential reading for those concerned about their own future and their childrens'."
--Daniel McFadden, Cox Professor of Economics , University of California, Berkeley, Nobel Prize Winner in Economic Sciences

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jay gw said:
The US government has future debts of $45 trillion dollars, and there won't be enough money to pay them.
"Future debts"? What's a "future debt"?

Hmmm, $45 trillion/280 million people= $161k/person. Sorry, not buying it.

SS and Medicare account for almost all of the future debts of over $45 trillion.
What does that mean?

Since 1960, consumption per retiree has doubled relative to consumption per worker. Baby boomers are those 76 million Americans born between 1946 and 1964, who are about to start retiring. If their consumption keeps rising as retirees, no amount of Social Security payout will be enough. What it means is that the current retirees and baby boomers are not only consuming many of the resources available now, but are indebting future generations as well.
That is wildly fallacious. It starts out assuming that all senior consumption is supported by SS (as if the moment someone turns 65, they become incapable of taking care of themselves without government help), and gets worse from there.
 
Art Vandelay said:
"Future debts"? What's a "future debt"?
I would imagine that a future debt is the difference between the obligation to pay in the future versus the forecast amount of money available to pay.
 
So it's sort of like counting your chickens before they hatch, except then you subtract off what those chickens will cost?
 
Art Vandelay said:
So it's sort of like counting your chickens before they hatch, except then you subtract off what those chickens will cost?

No it's how much you are obligated to pay for the feed for the chickens if the chickens don't stop eating gold dust as their primary food source.
 
It sounds as though I won't be able to count on SSI when I hit 67, or older.

This is the same old information we've heard before. The reality is that Congress, back in the 60's, allowed themselves to "borrow" from the Social Security trust fund, and they have never paid any of it back. In fact, this practice still goes on. The media have yet to figure out that if you put that money into the general fund, there's no way you can pay your obligations which you've agreed to under SSI.

For that matter, even if the Feds began paying that money back, it would still not be enough, because you need the interest from that money just to stay even, and they've made no effort to do so.

Maybe we ought to change the name of the country to "BOHICA," for "Bend Over, Here It Comes Again!"
 
Without going in to the numbers (I have no way to know if they are realistic estimations), I think the underlying problem is obvious, but its solution requires a complete revamping of social structure, so, its not going to happen.
 

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