The Brain the Effect of What Cause?

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So what caused the brain to come into existence? Could it be it that it came about (designed and/or evolved) in order to provide the means by which to channel consciousness which, was pre-existent? What would be the difference between that and say designing an amplifier in order to reproduce sound? Wouldn't it in fact be fair to say that the amplifier exists solely to reproduce the sound? So why should it be any different than that with the brain?

Indeed, if we have a (conscious) experience, does the brain give structure to that experience or, is it just the means by which to catalog that experience? Because if there's anything more to it than that, that would be tantamount to saying the brain is what creates reality (i.e., solipsism?), rather than being the receptacle by which to perceive it. In which case the structure must already exist within the (conscious) experience itself which, Science has yet to begin to explore ... as it insists on passing it off as merely "subjective."
 
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Rob Lister said:
Chance puntuated by environmental niche.
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I agree. Start with purely random chance, add a few million years, shake well, and bake at 98.6 degrees.
 
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Cosmo said:
I agree. Start with purely random chance, add a few million years, shake well, and bake at 98.6 degrees.
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Geesh! What do you want a boiling brain for?

... o, wait... you mean Fahrenheit? :p
 
IT CANNOT BE
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In order to do this, then conciousness should be able to interact and modiffy matter.
If that would be the case, then that skill of conciousness is a channell of conciousness itself and there is no need to make a brain.
Therefore, there is no evolutionary reason to do that.
 
So, the structure which gave rise to the Universe must have literally come out of thin air ... or less? :p
 
Iacchus said:
So, the structure which gave rise to the Universe must have literally come out of thin air ... or less? :p
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There was no air pre-universe. So the anwer is less
 
Operaider said:

There was no air pre-universe. So the anwer is less
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In what way? Would you say an immaterial type of structure? Also, why do we refer to the experience of life as if it contained some sort of inherent structure? Why does it seem to be enough to hold our lives together so to speak?
 
Iacchus said:
In what way? Would you say an immaterial type of structure? Also, why do we refer to the experience of life as if it contained some sort of inherent structure? Why does it seem to be enough to hold our lives together so to speak?
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Man has a natural tendency to see patterns in objects, to find order among the chaos. It's simply a survival strategy so that he can parse the massive volumes of data that he comes across every day.

Don't take it out of context - we may search for order in what we see, but that does not in any way endorse the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe.
 
Cosmo said:

Man has a natural tendency to see patterns in objects, to find order among the chaos. It's simply a survival strategy so that he can parse the massive volumes of data that he comes across every day.

Don't take it out of context - we may search for order in what we see, but that does not in any way endorse the idea of an intelligent designer for the universe.
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Are you saying that there's no inherent structure existent in the Universe then (for example the script which appears on your computer screen) or, that if there is, it stems from the (alleged) fact that something can from nothing?
 
Iacchus said:
Are you saying that there's no inherent structure existent in the Universe then (for example the script which appears on your computer screen) or, that if there is, it stems from the (alleged) fact that something can from nothing?
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Nonsense. I never said there was no inherent structure in the universe - the laws of physics paint a very clear picture of atoms, molecules, and gravitational forces. That sure looks like structure to me.

Something can not come from nothing - see the law of conservation of matter/energy. What "fact" are you referencing here?
 
Eleatic Stranger said:
Any one of a number of pornography sites could provide the answer to this question, you know....
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Also embryology sites.
 
When the brain came into existance was it first? Then did it figure out heart, lungs, stomach etc? or were they first then the brain was after?
 
Kitty Chan said:
When the brain came into existance was it first? Then did it figure out heart, lungs, stomach etc? or were they first then the brain was after?
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The basic cells for all of those organs start to specialize around the same time, if I remember correctly.
 
Iacchus said:
So what caused the brain to come into existence? Could it be it that it came about (designed and/or evolved) in order to provide the means by which to channel consciousness which, was pre-existent?
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What makes you think there was conciousness pre-existent before there were brains?

Or are you just posting out of vanity again?
 
Kitty Chan said:

When the brain came into existance was it first? Then did it figure out heart, lungs, stomach etc? or were they first then the brain was after?
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Do you mean are we more than just our brains? Or, what exactly are you referring to here?
 
Ratman_tf said:

What makes you think there was conciousness pre-existent before there were brains?

Or are you just posting out of vanity again?
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Well, there must have been something pre-existent to the Big Bang which contained the structure of the Universe don't you think? ;) Why not some form of consciousness then? Of course this is not the only thing I base it upon, albeit it's something which is more readily ascertained.
 
Originally posted by Iacchus
So what caused the brain to come into existence? Could it be it that it came about (designed and/or evolved) in order to provide the means by which to channel consciousness which, was pre-existent?
Iacchus said:
Do you mean are we more than just our brains? Or, what exactly are you referring to here?
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Well C4ts was sorta touching on a answer(thanks). But I mean you cant have a brain sitting there on the ground it needs a body. So what came first the brain or the body, physically I mean.

Because if there was that consciousness beforehand as you said then it would have to have a spot to go to. I guess its just the next part of your question.



(As for more than our brains yea, Mind (Brain), soul and spirit)
 
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