The Bermuda Triangle

[CoreyWhite]

Here are four perfectly normal projections of the globe. The first is as you might see it on a map. The second, I flipped the east west axis. The third I flipped the north west axis. And the fourth it was rotated 180 degrees.

In 3 dimensions the only reasonable projections are the first and the last, because when we rotate the globe, we rotate both the north/south poles, and the east/west poles. But when working with images we can flip them vertically or horizontally without changing the dimensions of the images.

From this insight I have come to the conclusion that not only are there north and south poles to the earth, but there are also east and west poles. You see when you go over the north pole, you can continue circling around in a northward direction forever, and the north and south poles flip, even on a compass. Which makes since, and when this happens the east and west poles naturally change in accord with the north and south poles.

But conventional wisdom tells us that when we fly around the world along the equator we can keep flying east forever. But in my vision, there are certain points on the globe where east and west meet an axis too. Like the bermuda triangle.

If I can prove this happens, and reliably show that compasses lose their rotation at the magic axis, could I claim the million dollar prize? As I understand current theories on magnetism the magnetic north and south poles are determined by the rotation of molten magma in the core of the earth. But if there are east and south poles too it would dispute this theory.

 

[HeyLeroy]

The myth of the Bermuda triangle has been thoroughly debunked..

Next topic.

 

[TriangleMan]

But conventional wisdom tells us that when we fly around the world along the equator we can keep flying east forever. But in my vision, there are certain points on the globe where east and west meet an axis too. Like the bermuda triangle.

The Bermuda Triangle is nowhere near the equator. (It's true! )

Next topic.

 

[Ersby]

The first globe should have the Greenwich meridian in the centre of the picture, not the Americas.

Pity, you were so close to the million.

 

[Marc L]

But conventional wisdom tells us that when we fly around the world along the equator we can keep flying east forever. But in my vision, there are certain points on the globe where east and west meet an axis too. Like the bermuda triangle.

If I can prove this happens, and reliably show that compasses lose their rotation at the magic axis, could I claim the million dollar prize? As I understand current theories on magnetism the magnetic north and south poles are determined by the rotation of molten magma in the core of the earth. But if there are east and south poles too it would dispute this theory.

Take it from someone who has crossed both the International Dateline and the Equator six times in three years. Nothing happens to your compass when you switch from west to east or from north to south.

Marc

 

[Beady]

Nothing happens to your compass when you
switch from west to east or from north to south.

Or in the Bermuda Triangle, for that matter. It may have escaped Corey's notice, but a few of us were there, only three weeks ago.

 

[Demigorgon]

Or in the Bermuda Triangle, for that matter. It may have escaped Corey's notice, but a few of us were there, only three weeks ago.

That's impossible! Are you posting from another dimension? The future? What is it like? Everybody knows you can't make it outa there.

 

[Beady]

That's impossible! Are you posting from another dimension? The future? What is it like? Everybody knows you can't make it outa there.

It is and we did.

It's true!

 

[MRC_Hans]

In 3 dimensions the only reasonable projections are the first and the last, because when we rotate the globe, we rotate both the north/south poles, and the east/west poles.

#1 and #4 are rotations, the others are mirrored. Thus they are different things.

From this insight I have come to the conclusion that not only are there north and south poles to the earth, but there are also east and west poles.

No.

You see when you go over the north pole, you can continue circling around in a northward direction forever, and the north and south poles flip, even on a compass.

No. You can go in the same direction, but when you pass the north pole, you will be going south till you pass the south pole, then you will be going north again.

Which makes since, and when this happens the east and west poles naturally change in accord with the north and south poles.

There are no east and west poles.

But conventional wisdom tells us that when we fly around the world along the equator we can keep flying east forever. But in my vision, there are certain points on the globe where east and west meet an axis too. Like the bermuda triangle.

You are mistaken. Now, hear this: The planet has two poles, period. You can be right insofar as you can say that the placement of those poles is arbitrary. We have chosen to place them in line with Earth's rotational axis because that is extremely useful, but you might choose to place the north pole in the men's room at Johnny's Bar and Cantina in East Monterey instead (and the south pole in whatever place is just opposite that). You would still have just two poles, however.

If I can prove this happens, and reliably show that compasses lose their rotation at the magic axis, could I claim the million dollar prize?

No.

As I understand current theories on magnetism the magnetic north and south poles are determined by the rotation of molten magma in the core of the earth. But if there are east and south poles too it would dispute this theory.

No.


Hans

(Kumar in memoriam )

 

[exarch]

We have chosen to place them in line with Earth's rotational axis because that is extremely useful, but you might choose to place the north pole in the men's room at Johnny's Bar and Cantina in East Monterey instead (and the south pole in whatever place is just opposite that).

So that takes care of the Poles, but what about the Hungarians?

 

[MRC_Hans]

So that takes care of the Poles, but what about the Hungarians?

They are just intrinsically opposite.

Hans

 

[CoreyWhite]

I thought about this more last night while I was sleeping, so lets change the definitions of what we are talking about.

Lets call the north pole, up, and the south pole down. Now if you had a mini-globe in your hand you could do this experiment. The north pole faces up, and the south pole faces down. And if you run your hand around the globe, you can't continue traveling east or west around it forever, because eventually you meet the east/west axis of your body, and you hand begins to move to your left side, or your right side. So relative to you holding the globe it has an east west axis. And it also has an outside inside axis, as it moves away from you, or as it moves closer to you.

So those are the 3 directions,
towards-away from the sun.
up-down from the sun.
right-left from the sun.

But in conventional thinking we don't have a right-left from the sun, and only have a up-down and north-south. Because we can keep traveling east forever, but when we travel north eventually we start moving south.

Why do you think this is? One possible theory is that the earth is rotating so fast, it loses all noticable measure of being right/left of the sun. And instead those dimensions become a rotation, where you can either move with the rotation, or move against the rotation.

Ideas?

 

[kittykatkarma]

One possible theory is that the earth is rotating so fast, it loses all noticable measure of being right/left of the sun. And instead those dimensions become a rotation, where you can either move with the rotation, or move against the rotation.

Ideas?

Wow! You dreamed this?

 

[kittykatkarma]

Double post.

 

[Jeff Corey]

This thread reminds me of the pigmy chimp who got a law degree. He only worked pro bonobo.

 

[Cleon]

Hey jackass, given your past slanders and lies about Randi and the Foundation, I'd be surprised if they gave you the time of day.

 

[exarch]

Why do you think this is? One possible theory is that the earth is rotating so fast, it loses all noticable measure of being right/left of the sun. And instead those dimensions become a rotation, where you can either move with the rotation, or move against the rotation.

Ideas?

I think most of us figured that particular nugget of wisdom out somewhere in primary school. Probably around the time the math teacher got into dimensions and such. I know it can be terribly compelling, but really, it's only breathtakingly, earthshatteringly interesting the first time around. After that, it just becomes one of those things you happen to know and never really think about much after that.

Hey, maybe Rodney will get a kick out of this riddle/puzzle:

Name two places on the planet where you can walk south one mile, walk east one mile, walk north one mile again and end up in the exact same place you started.

 

[CoreyWhite]

There is a triangle for you.

 

[SkepticScott]

Name two places on the planet where you can walk south one mile, walk east one mile, walk north one mile again and end up in the exact same place you started.

Only two? Mathematically there are an infinite number, but you're physically limited by having to 'walk'.

 

[exarch]

Only two? Mathematically there are an infinite number, but you're physically limited by having to 'walk'.

Well, for the place below the equator this is indeed correct. But the east-west path is the same for all of them