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The arguments for Christianity

skeptiform5

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I am always looking for Christian debate websites and other such things to learn more about why people believe in Christianity in the first place. I was suddenly struck by a website which looked interesting so I looked on it. I was looking through the threads when I find this:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=29924

I thought this was extremely hilarious. Firstly because half of the statement he makes are absolutely incorrect and secondly because the ones that are correct aren't even given explanations on why it disproves atheism.

Then I get of the site with tears in my eyes from laughter when I find this page.

http://theseekeroftruth.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-atheism-is-wrong.html

Comments?
 
The expression "arguments for christianity" is meaningless. Christianity is a faith, no amount of evidence can prove or disprove it, thus arguments are pointless.

There are no Christians who would disavow their religion by the force of the logical argument of an atheist, and vice versa.

Conversion to a religion is about appealing to peoples base instincts (fear, prejudice, guilt, hope, pride, charity etc) not to their rationality.
 
The expression "arguments for christianity" is meaningless. Christianity is a faith, no amount of evidence can prove or disprove it, thus arguments are pointless.

There are no Christians who would disavow their religion by the force of the logical argument of an atheist, and vice versa.

Conversion to a religion is about appealing to peoples base instincts (fear, prejudice, guilt, hope, pride, charity etc) not to their rationality.

Wow that really advanced the thread...
 
The expression "arguments for christianity" is meaningless. Christianity is a faith, no amount of evidence can prove or disprove it, thus arguments are pointless.

uh .. I beg to differ.

There are no Christians who would disavow their religion by the force of the logical argument of an atheist, and vice versa.

I would discard my atheism if there was a logical reason to do so. That there isn't one is entirely besides the point. I am an atheist because of the (lack of) evidence and because of the logic.

Conversion to a religion is about appealing to peoples base instincts (fear, prejudice, guilt, hope, pride, charity etc) not to their rationality.

Well, yes, because religion is inherently and entirely illogical. Hence, I am not religious.
 
There are no Christians who would disavow their religion by the force of the logical argument of an atheist, and vice versa.

I disagree, there may be many who wouldn't, but I was raised Christian, went to a church school and would have described myself as such. It was logic that lead me to atheism, unfortunately there weren't any avowed atheists around to make the arguments to me but they would have been most welcome and saved me a bit of time!
 
I think skeptiform5's point is that while religious belief is touted as an expression of faith (at least in the monotheistic religions), there are countless examples of believers who put forth what they claim is evidence in support of that faith. Sometimes it is done in a discussion forum such as here; other times it is more that in an informal environment a believer points to something and says "See? A miracle! That's proof!"

Even more, believers will point to their faith itself as evidence in that "When I decided to believe my life changed and I know it's true; so would you if you just tried to believe."

My take is that pretending it's all just faith is nonsense. Faith is the gloss applied afterward to rationalize the shortcomings. Mostly belief comes from upbringing, just as politics do. Partly it comes from critical examination. Even those who point to supposed miracles as evidence are engaging in a form of critical examination; they simply haven't applied the tools correctly. Moreover, they rarely care to.
 
"landover" is a spoof site. The guy in that OP you linked to is parodying Christians.

Also those are arguments against Atheism, not arguments for Christianity. The former is much easier to do than the latter.
 
Not when it refers to itself as Landover Baptist Parody Site

Doesn't Poe's law state that:
Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

Hasn't skeptiform5 done just that? Mistaken it for the real thing? Or am I misunderstanding the OP?
 
Methinks the fundies don't want a thread about 'arguments' that expose their silliness to thrive.

Therefore, this thread will thrive.

This thread will become renowned as the treasure trove of fundie funnies.
 
I am always looking for Christian debate websites and other such things to learn more about why people believe in Christianity in the first place.
First, please get your terminology straight.

One practices Christianity, a religion, when one believes in God and the resurrection of His son Jesus Christ.

"To believe in Christianity" would be to believe that there is Christianity ... which there is. I don't think that is what you were getting at.

Proceed.

DR
 
Fundies Say the Darnedest Things

The Fundies Say the Darndest Things site, http://www.fstdt.com/, contains some truly persuasive captures of fundie thinking at its best.

To give you a flavor of what's on their site, here are a few short excerpts from their Top 100:

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Leviathon is a spirit I have battled as well. It was a hard battle but was won. It was about four months or more ago. My wife and I were in McDonalds and were having a conversation with an angel and Leviathon had come up. I told the angel that i wanted to fight this demon and he said I could. On the way back to the hotel I asked the angel if he could bring the demon to a predestinated place and he said yes. I figured that since Leviathon was from the depths of the sea he would be used to the cold water so I filled the tub up with scalding hot water and blessed the water. The angels (there were two now) brought Leviathon bound to the tub and fought with me. We all pulled our swords from our hips and began running this demon through with all my strength and everything I had. I would say it took atleast half an hour or more. We were all spent but the battle was won.

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im christian
if we came from apes
how come were not hairy and have a big mouth
and did we end up looking like we do know
and besides
there isnt any serious proof of apes
they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest
that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store
know one ever cought an ape

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Every discerning parent who has been blessed with a little child in his home realizes that his initial impression of the sweetness and the innocence of the child is in reality an illusion. A child very quickly demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish little beast in manifold ways. As soon as the child begins to express his own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive correction. My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year. To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant.

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Some things can not be explained by science. Take for example, rainbows. Rainbows are a mystery and you can not touch them, just like god. Despite this fact, they are still there even though there is no scientific explanation for them. So next time you find yourself doubting your faith, think of god as a rainbow. I know that this can be a difficult concept for some of you to grasp. It is just like air you can't see it but you know its there

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That's the beauty of Heaven... we can leave our brains behind.
 
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im christian
if we came from apes
how come were not hairy and have a big mouth
and did we end up looking like we do know
and besides
there isnt any serious proof of apes
they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest
that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store
know one ever cought an ape
This must be parody.
 
This must be parody.

Sadly, undoubtedly not. :(

What this illustrates primarily is a lack of access to education. My, possibly faint, hope is that the Internet will eventually bring knowledge to everyone.

My other hope is that Fundamentalists will be replaced by Great Apes who are much nicer, caring creatures. :cool:
 
The best is the OP's signature

Sikhs, Satanists, North Koreans, Witches, Secularists and Anthropologists. They all want you dead.

Emphasis mine.


Another funny, from the second link:

And yes, the miracles in the Bible have been verified by both atheist (for objectivity) and theist (God-believing) scientists as true historical events. Events such as the Exodus from Egypt, David slaying Goliath, parting of the Red Sea, etc. were tested and researched using modern scientific methods. Watch "Secrets of the Bible" at Cable TV's "Discovery Channel".
 
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If you looking for a good debate come and join us on the 'god does not exist' thread on the amazon.co.uk website. There are a few Christians there itching for a challenge lol
 

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