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Terrorists and their supporters win in national election!

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Like the thread title? Thought it might get a bit more attention then "Predictable results in Northern Ireland Elections" :)

Seems like the results from Northern Ireland will be pretty much as expected: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6433249.stm .

So will the DUP and Sinn Fein agree on power sharing and Ian Paisley become First Minister? My bet is that they will which means we will see an assembly of (ex?) terrorists and murderers led by a fundamental Christian madman!

The debates should at least be interesting "NO I SAY WE WILL NEVER ALLOW THE PAPISTS TO BUILD A NEW SEWAGE PROCESSING PLANT UNTIL THEY RENOUNCE THEIR HERESY!"

(For a point of reference for USA Members Ian Paisley makes Pat Robertson look sensible!)
 
I was more wondering if you can ever be said to be an "ex" terrorist - I mean if you've committed a murder you will always be a murderer even if you are no longer murdering people!
 
Darat said:
I was more wondering if you can ever be said to be an "ex" terrorist
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I think so. But is this a semantic point about a label, or are you wondering if reform or rehabilitation of individuals or organisations should ever be seen to have occurred? And if the latter, would that be specific to Sinn Fein, or a general wondering?

[ETA]—Of course, Mr Paisley tends not to ever really consider SF to be "ex terrorists" no matter what. He appears to think that it is possible (your link has yet another quote of him saying [Sinn Fein had to] "turn from their evil ways"). So in theory he appears to think that accepting them as reformed is perfectly viable. He just always gets out of it with something like: "Yes—but they haven't"
 
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I was reading about the Shankill butchers the other day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

Apparently they were released after the Good Friday agreement. Quite a high price to pay for peace, I think. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it, but the idea that people like that might be walking free or even participating in government really turns my stomach.
 
Darat said:
I was more wondering if you can ever be said to be an "ex" terrorist - I mean if you've committed a murder you will always be a murderer even if you are no longer murdering people!
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Nelson Mandela

From terrorist (some people think so) to Peace Prize
 
Darat, Darat, Darat...Haven't you been reading Skeptic's threads?

The IRA and ULC aren't real terrorists--real terrorists are Muslim.
 
acuity said:
I think so. But is this a semantic point about a label, or are you wondering if reform or rehabilitation of individuals or organisations should ever be seen to have occurred? And if the latter, would that be specific to Sinn Fein, or a general wondering?
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It was more of a musing about semantics. And in regards to NI I don't make any distinction between the various groups based on whether they are "nationalist" or "loyalist" terrorists - they are just terrorists.


acuity said:
[ETA]—Of course, Mr Paisley tends not to ever really consider SF to be "ex terrorists" no matter what. He appears to think that it is possible (your link has yet another quote of him saying [Sinn Fein had to] "turn from their evil ways"). So in theory he appears to think that accepting them as reformed is perfectly viable. He just always gets out of it with something like: "Yes—but they haven't"
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It does strike me as terrible that Ian Paisley has now been given the power to decide if the people of NI have a local assembly or not... he is a madman.
 
I'm guilty of not knowing enough about Northern Ireland politics to render a significant opinion, one way or the other.

Yes, I'm ashamed.

Any chance you could sum up the bloody history of NI in a few sentences, Darat?
 
chocolatepossum said:
I was reading about the Shankill butchers the other day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

Apparently they were released after the Good Friday agreement. Quite a high price to pay for peace, I think. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it, but the idea that people like that might be walking free or even participating in government really turns my stomach.
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Hopefully a good citizen or two will fix that problem.
 
chocolatepossum said:
I was reading about the Shankill butchers the other day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

Apparently they were released after the Good Friday agreement. Quite a high price to pay for peace, I think. I'm not saying it wasn't worth it, but the idea that people like that might be walking free or even participating in government really turns my stomach.
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And here I just thought it was a Decemberists' song. What a brutal story.
 
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