Teller donated $2,300 to Ron Paul

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Actually, he is quite open about his Libertarianism. I believe that he refered to his position as "nutty" or "crazy", so Penn understands that his position isn't exactly "mainstream".
 
CFLarsen said:
What gave you the idea that it is a secret that he is a Libertarian?
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Ah, always trying twist to words and meanings to make you look smart or clever, aren't you...? You know exactly what I was getting it and then only attacked the periphery point. You do that on purpose, don't you?

Of course he is a libertarian. Everyone knows both P&T are. But this subforum, and these forums in general, are particularly hostile to libertarians... and then, Ron Paul, who both he and his supporters get a very special type of vitriol. And apparently Teller donated the maximum amount to him last December. Are you going to extend the vitriol to Teller, too?
 
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Skeptic Guy said:
Actually, he is quite open about his Libertarianism. I believe that he refered to his position as "nutty" or "crazy", so Penn understands that his position isn't exactly "mainstream".
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This isn't Penn, this is the other half. And this isn't so much as him being a libertarian, as it is he donated to -Ron Paul- (who is vociferously attacked on these forums, along with any supporters).
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
I will never speak to him again. And I doubt he will speak to me. At least not on stage.
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TCS, I bet if he did try to speak to you you would punch him in the face.

Everyone nearby would be shocked, though because he spoke, not because you hit him.
 
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Dr. Fascism said:
This isn't Penn, this is the other half. And this isn't so much as him being a libertarian, as it is he donated to -Ron Paul- (who is vociferously attacked on these forums, along with any supporters).
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Doh, you're right. My bad. Yep, I hate Teller now.
 
Dr. Fascism said:
TCS, I bet if he did try to speak to you you would punch him in the face.
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Probably not. Not many people here are into the whole "physical assault because you disagree with someone's politics" thing. The whole harassment and intimidation bit seems to be a Ronulan trait.
 
They both openly supported Ron Paul. Penn was on Howard Stern in December or January and said that despite those racist newsletters which Penn said Ron Paul definitely did not write he supports Paul for President.

Well, it's usually with issues of politics or religion that people put the skeptical blinders on. Penn's no different.
 
Was this the guy starting threads awhile back saying he hated Ron Paul's love for liberty, rainbows and children? You know, the really, really, really clumsy troll...?
 
I think Teller is the perfect model for a Ron Paul supporter. Now if we could just get the rest of them to keep their yaps shut front of the cameras...
 
Dr. Fascism said:
TCS, I bet if he did try to speak to you you would punch him in the face.

Everyone nearby would be shocked, though because he spoke, not because you hit him.
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Teller speaks but not on stage or while on TV shows. Seems like a friendly guy. Plus he is a Philadelphia native (woot!).

I don't like Ron Paul. But I do like Teller.

My dislike of Ron Paul supporters is limited to those who have the-sky-is-falling-nail-myself-to-the-cross mentality. I haven't seen Teller do that yet so until then I will keep liking him. I hope I have your permission to do so.
 
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Dr. Fascism said:
Ah, always trying twist to words and meanings to make you look smart or clever, aren't you...? You know exactly what I was getting it and then only attacked the periphery point. You do that on purpose, don't you?
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T'is rarely a good idea to start off with airing paranoid conspiracy notions.

Dr. Fascism said:
Of course he is a libertarian. Everyone knows both P&T are. But this subforum, and these forums in general, are particularly hostile to libertarians... and then, Ron Paul, who both he and his supporters get a very special type of vitriol. And apparently Teller donated the maximum amount to him last December. Are you going to extend the vitriol to Teller, too?
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I can't speak for others, but whenever I have debated with Libertarians trying to explain their wacky political beliefs, they sure didn't feel coddled. Take a look at the many threads that shanek opened and participated in.

Teller isn't a member here, I haven't heard him speak of his political views, and it is irrelevant to his work as a skeptic. If he wants to come here and defend his political views, he is most welcome.

Are you by any chance a Libertarian? Do you want to discuss your political views?
 
Cain said:
Was this the guy starting threads awhile back saying he hated Ron Paul's love for liberty, rainbows and children? You know, the really, really, really clumsy troll...?
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Read deeper into those topics. I was being sarcastic, and said so.

The sad thing is, despite initially acting like a doofus, I got one or two PMs of people telling me they agreed with me. Ick!
 
KingMerv00 said:
My dislike of Ron Paul supporters is limited to those who have the-sky-is-falling-nail-myself-to-the-cross mentality. I haven't seen Teller do that yet so until then I will keep liking him. I hope I have your permission to do so.
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Yeah, Paul's just another politician and if I started disliking people because of who they're voting for I'd hate every single registered voter this election.

If you're voting for Paul and don't act like a loon or a jerk about it, more power to you and thank you for participating in the election process. Unfortunately the Internet seems completely devoid of this sort of RP supporter.
 
CFLarsen said:
T'is rarely a good idea to start off with airing paranoid conspiracy notions.
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Just an observation, Claus.

I can't speak for others, but whenever I have debated with Libertarians trying to explain their wacky political beliefs, they sure didn't feel coddled. Take a look at the many threads that shanek opened and participated in.
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I know. Ignore my registration date, it doesn't tell you how long I lurked these forums. These forums have a lot of lurkers as well as members; I was one of the lurkers for a long while.

Teller isn't a member here, I haven't heard him speak of his political views, and it is irrelevant to his work as a skeptic. If he wants to come here and defend his political views, he is most welcome.
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http://www.pennandteller.com/03/coolstuff/tellerspeaks/telleressayarrivewash.html

Here is a quote from his latest essay:

"I love Washington. Yes, I know it’s the seat of hateful bureaucrats blowing my tax dollars for chewing gum. But it’s got great bookstores and great food, the gorgeous subway system (the Metro) the Smithsonian, the Archives, the Washington Monument, and all that other stuff that I own part of. Since I paid for it at the point of a gun, I might as well enjoy it."

And again, he did donate to that "crazy" Ron Paul.
 
HarryKeogh said:
Well, it's usually with issues of politics or religion that people put the skeptical blinders on. Penn's no different.
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You are aware that this type of idiotic statement is what I'm complaining about, right?

I mean sure, on global warming etc I'll give you that, but since I'm not talking about stuff like that and since it hasn't been brought up I'll assume you're saying his blinders are on because of his libertarian position. Even if he believed communism was the right way to go it wouldn't make him a non-skeptic or "woo" because he thinks that's the right way to run the world. Skepticism is not a political dogma and doesn't preclude you from ANY political position; too many people here, maybe not think, but act as though you have to be a Democrat, or at least leaning that way, to be a true skeptic.

I suppose the true may be the same of religion, although I'm not going to defend that position because religion deals more directly in matters of "what-is" and not "should-be", so they are not analogous.
 
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*Yawn*

Who cares? I don't agree with the political views of a lot of people who entertain me. The causes Teller chooses to support with his money don't invalidate his magic act or TV show.

As for how a "true skeptic" would behave, you might want to check out the logical fallacy known as No True Scotsman.
 
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