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Teddy Muhammad

ravdin said:
More insanity from the Religion of Perpetual Outrage.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2947734.ece
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Yes, it's pretty sick, but to be fair, she might not have been formally charged and she certainly hasn't been convicted.

Saying she's 'facing 40 lashes' is a bit like saying, "Bill the British guy is facing three months in prison and a £2500 fine after he deliberately snapped Fred's pencil in half". That is indeed the maximum sentence he could theoretically face for Criminal Damage, but as his crime is at the other end of the scale, so will be the penalty.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Yes, it's pretty sick, but to be fair, she might not have been formally charged and she certainly hasn't been convicted.

Saying she's 'facing 40 lashes' is a bit like saying, "Bill the British guy is facing three months in prison and a £2500 fine after he deliberately snapped Fred's pencil in half". That is indeed the maximum sentence he could theoretically face for Criminal Damage, but as his crime is at the other end of the scale, so will be the penalty.
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You don't get it, do you? The fact that she faces any punishment at all is an abomination.
 
So you can't call a bear Muhammed, but you can call a child that?

I would have thought that a person would be far more dangerous to name after a holy figure then a toy bear because the person could do many evil things that would hurt the name.
 
BPSCG said:
You don't get it, do you? The fact that she faces any punishment at all is an abomination.
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Absolutely, but let's come at it from that angle, rather than the 40-lashes hyperbole. The situation is bad enough as it is - exaggeration is superfluous.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Yes, it's pretty sick, but to be fair, she might not have been formally charged and she certainly hasn't been convicted.

Saying she's 'facing 40 lashes' is a bit like saying, "Bill the British guy is facing three months in prison and a £2500 fine after he deliberately snapped Fred's pencil in half". That is indeed the maximum sentence he could theoretically face for Criminal Damage, but as his crime is at the other end of the scale, so will be the penalty.
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Wow....I mean, just...wow.

What sort of intellectual masturbation do you have to go through, and how pretzelized must you make your "logic" to believe what this poster is saying.

No, Ian, it's actually like saying this: Sudan, like most Muslim nations, is a barbaric place that does things like this.

That's what it's like saying.

Tokie
 
Wildy said:
So you can't call a bear Muhammed, but you can call a child that?

I would have thought that a person would be far more dangerous to name after a holy figure then a toy bear because the person could do many evil things that would hurt the name.
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A stuffed animal is an idol. In actual fact, under Sha' ria (sp...oh, wait...I don't really care) law, the bear itself should be illegal, naming it is another thing.

Tokie
 
Tokenconservative said:
A stuffed animal is an idol. In actual fact, under Sha' ria (sp...oh, wait...I don't really care) law, the bear itself should be illegal, naming it is another thing.

Tokie
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So Sharia considers a stuffed toy an idol? Will that mean the parents of the girl who bought the bear (as I understand it from the articles) will be getting in trouble too?
 
Ian Osborne said:
Absolutely, but let's come at it from that angle, rather than the 40-lashes hyperbole. The situation is bad enough as it is - exaggeration is superfluous.
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The hyperbole here is in detaining someone for giving a toy bear the wrong name. Or that blasphemy is punishable by 40 lashes, whether or not this teacher will have to face the punishment.

But let's not lose our heads, shall we? How might we reasonably discuss the legitimate complaints of these pious individuals? Over a jolly cup of tea?
 
ravdin said:
But let's not lose our heads, shall we? How might we reasonably discuss the legitimate complaints of these pious individuals? Over a jolly cup of tea?
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Who said they were 'the legitimate complaints of these pious individuals'? I certainly didn't. I agree we should 'reasonably discuss' it, though. Milk, no sugar...
 
Ian Osborne said:
Absolutely, but let's come at it from that angle, rather than the 40-lashes hyperbole. The situation is bad enough as it is - exaggeration is superfluous.
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So you'd be just fine if she only got one lash?

Or maybe a small fine?

Community service?

It's an abomination. Period. It's not "an abomination, but..."
 
BPSCG said:
So you'd be just fine if she only got one lash?

Or maybe a small fine?

Community service?

It's an abomination. Period. It's not "an abomination, but..."
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No, it's absolutely outrageous that blasphemy is a crime at all, anywhere (including the UK, though I'm certainly not suggesting our blasphemy laws are comparable with Sudan's). As you rightly say, it's an abomination, even in its accurate, unexaggerated form. Let's not allow our emotions to get in the way of our scepticism, though. However bad this is, the teacher is very unlikely to be 'facing 40 lashes', so let's stick to the facts.
 
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Ian Osborne said:
the teacher is very unlikely to be 'facing 40 lashes', so let's stick to the facts.
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The Sudanese courts are not above handing down such sentences for minor transgressions, though, e.g. giving women 30 lashes for wearing trousers... Although apparently they have been calming down a bit in recent years, and I'd be more worried about the mob that's gathered outside, helped along by the Attorney-General's spokesman:

It quoted Mutusim Abdallah, who heads the attorney's office, as saying that she printed the name of the Prophet on the bear. "Then she wrote letters to student guardians telling them that they should receive a doll on which the name Muhammad is printed," he said. "However this event was met with wide condemnation by guardians of the students."
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My teddy's named Lord Shiva Buddha Christ the Prophet May Peace Be Upon Him Espuire.

Sudan is so off my list of countries to live.

But that's what she gets for bringing democracy to the classroom. [/jk]

So sad.
 
Ian Osborne said:
You forgot to blame it on the liberals.
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This isn't the libs fault of course, but you will not see any leftist org decrying this, just as here in the USofA NOW has been utterly silent on the suffering of women in "original" cultures (such as Sudan's) while shrieking ceaselessly about men looking at women and the non-existent "glass ceiling" etc., etc.

Tokie
 
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