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The Associated Press State & Local Wire
September 9, 2001, Sunday, BC cycle
Two killed in fire in Salina
SECTION: State and Regional
LENGTH: 182 words
DATELINE: SALINA, Kan.
An adult and a young girl were killed in an early morning house fire Saturday.
Patrick Steven Hubbard, 22, and Katelynn Anne Hubbard, 3, were found dead on the upper floor of their home, authorities said.
Deputy Fire Chief Steve Moody said firefighters were called to the house around 3:20 a.m. When the first crew arrived, the house was engulfed in flames.
"I heard somebody yelling. and then I saw smoke and some flames coming from the windows," said neighbor Katie Jimenez said.
Her sister Angelina Mendoza called 911 and ran outside to see if she could help the family, but not much could be done.
"The door was blocked by fire, and for like 15 minutes the mother kept repeating her baby was inside," Mendoza said.
When fire crews arrived, two occupants were outside the home, and reported that two others were still inside.
By Saturday morning, all that was left of the house was charred, blackened siding as investigators continued to look for clues as to what started the fire.
Damage to the home and the contents are estimated to be $60,000, Moody said.
...
(Announcements)
WILLIAMS: My next guest survived a house fire and claim--that claimed the lives of her husband and her daughter. Take a look at this.
LISA: Me and Patrick met in high school. He was funny, spontaneous. You never knew what was going to come next with him. I had my daughter January 4th of 1998. If you were in a bad mood, she would make you happy. I mean, you had to love her. We were happy.
The fire happened September 8th of 2001 at 3:00 in the morning. I woke up because I heard my daughter say, 'Mommy.' And it all happened really quick. Another person fell asleep with a cigarette in his hand. It caught the bottom half of the house was on fire. And us three were upstairs.
I pulled Patrick off the bed, and I told him there was a fire somewhere and to follow me, and I grabbed my daughter. I had to break a window out. I was holding her with her facing me, and I was trying to go out backwards to break her fall so she wouldn't be hurt at all, but I would have landed on my back. But from not having any air at all in a house that is full of smoke, and I lost control of her, and that's when I fell out, and she fell in. Neither of them made it n out.
It's been three years since they've been gone, and it's rough. It's really rough. I have people kind of blaming me for it, and I kind of blame myself, because I made it out and they didn't, and that was my family. I want to make sure it's not my fault, and I want to make sure that they aren't mad at me because I'm not with them.
(End of excerpts)
Ms. BROWNE: God, we think we have problems.
WILLIAMS: Please welcome Lisa to the show.
I think what the primary question is whether or not your family has any issue with you, correct?
LISA: Correct. Since they passed away, weird things happen in the house. I don't know if it's them.
Ms. BROWNE: It is them, but what Montel said, which I want to address first, is nobody blames you for this. I don't even want you to blame you for this.
WILLIAMS: And you--you know, there is--forget about the psychic component to this, because Sylvia can fill that in--but there is a malady that's survivor's guilt.
Ms. BROWNE: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: Especially having post-traumatic stress.
Ms. BROWNE: "Red Badge of Courage." Yes.
WILLIAMS: So this is something that you should be seeing somebody about.
Ms. BROWNE: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: So if you have a question for Sylvia right now about your loved ones, then I'd say ask her. And then I'm going to let you get up right now and walk backstage and talk to Dr. Salzer...
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, Dr. Salzer. Yeah.
WILLIAMS: ...because there's some other issues here that you got to deal with. And part of what your--yes, you may be being visited, and let's talk about that. Are they--are her relatives coming by?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, yes, yeah. Yeah. Because her--especially her husband, the--the guy, you know, the--with the beautiful face, and the little kid, they come around all the time, except for the fact that the little kid is going to be eventually 30, do you see what I mean? Because we're all 30 on the other side. So you're not going to have just this little baby running around.
LISA: OK, like, when I have dreams of her, I don't dream--I dream of her as a baby. I don't...
Ms. BROWNE: Sure, you would, because that's how she would come to you, because you wouldn't know her as a 30-year-old.
LISA: Mm-hmm. The other questions that I have is is that how the fire started? There was other things.
Ms. BROWNE: See, I keep getting electricity. There's something wrong with the electricity.
LISA: OK.
WILLIAMS: And the fire department said it was a cigarette?
Ms. BROWNE: The fire department said it was a discharged cigarette and a...
Ms. BROWNE: What's a discharged cigarette?
LISA: ...a recliner.
WILLIAMS: Cigarette thrown on the floor?
LISA: A re--in a recliner, that it caught the recliner on fire, and they said that's what started the fire on the bottom half...
WILLIAMS: Do either one of you smoke?
LISA: The guy that was downstairs, he smoked. I did, but I was upstairs.
WILLIAMS: Did he get out?
LISA: Yes, he did, and it was his house, and we were staying the night over there, and that's why I wanted to know if that's how the fire started or...
Ms. BROWNE: I think the cigarette added to it, but I'm telling you, there's something that had to do with electricity. So whether it was--I don't know what a discharged cigarette is, but anyway, unless it hit an electrical wiring...
LISA: OK.
WILLIAMS: Let me do this. because I think some of this may...
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, it's a survivor thing, yeah.
WILLIAMS: You may get helped a little bit if you got to see somebody. Have you talked to anybody since this was over? Any psychiatrist, psychologist, family therapist?
LISA: No.
WILLIAMS: Why not?
LISA: Because I feel like I can't tell a complete stranger--a complete stranger can't tell me how to deal with...
WILLIAMS: Darling, do you know her? Do you know her? Guess what? Look into that screen right there. There are six million complete strangers that just heard what you had to say. So if you can come here and sit and talk, then trust me enough to know that that woman sitting right over there that's here with me 365 days a year, I guarantee you, will be able to help you put some of this in place for yourself. Some of this will go away, I guarantee it.
Ms. BROWNE: Right.
Ms. BROWNE: You can tell me.
WILLIAMS: Go that way. Go that way.
Yes, ma'am. You had a question for Sylvia. Stand up for me
...
If any other cause was found for the fire, there is no article about it.
September 9, 2001, Sunday, BC cycle
Two killed in fire in Salina
SECTION: State and Regional
LENGTH: 182 words
DATELINE: SALINA, Kan.
An adult and a young girl were killed in an early morning house fire Saturday.
Patrick Steven Hubbard, 22, and Katelynn Anne Hubbard, 3, were found dead on the upper floor of their home, authorities said.
Deputy Fire Chief Steve Moody said firefighters were called to the house around 3:20 a.m. When the first crew arrived, the house was engulfed in flames.
"I heard somebody yelling. and then I saw smoke and some flames coming from the windows," said neighbor Katie Jimenez said.
Her sister Angelina Mendoza called 911 and ran outside to see if she could help the family, but not much could be done.
"The door was blocked by fire, and for like 15 minutes the mother kept repeating her baby was inside," Mendoza said.
When fire crews arrived, two occupants were outside the home, and reported that two others were still inside.
By Saturday morning, all that was left of the house was charred, blackened siding as investigators continued to look for clues as to what started the fire.
Damage to the home and the contents are estimated to be $60,000, Moody said.
...
(Announcements)
WILLIAMS: My next guest survived a house fire and claim--that claimed the lives of her husband and her daughter. Take a look at this.
LISA: Me and Patrick met in high school. He was funny, spontaneous. You never knew what was going to come next with him. I had my daughter January 4th of 1998. If you were in a bad mood, she would make you happy. I mean, you had to love her. We were happy.
The fire happened September 8th of 2001 at 3:00 in the morning. I woke up because I heard my daughter say, 'Mommy.' And it all happened really quick. Another person fell asleep with a cigarette in his hand. It caught the bottom half of the house was on fire. And us three were upstairs.
I pulled Patrick off the bed, and I told him there was a fire somewhere and to follow me, and I grabbed my daughter. I had to break a window out. I was holding her with her facing me, and I was trying to go out backwards to break her fall so she wouldn't be hurt at all, but I would have landed on my back. But from not having any air at all in a house that is full of smoke, and I lost control of her, and that's when I fell out, and she fell in. Neither of them made it n out.
It's been three years since they've been gone, and it's rough. It's really rough. I have people kind of blaming me for it, and I kind of blame myself, because I made it out and they didn't, and that was my family. I want to make sure it's not my fault, and I want to make sure that they aren't mad at me because I'm not with them.
(End of excerpts)
Ms. BROWNE: God, we think we have problems.
WILLIAMS: Please welcome Lisa to the show.
I think what the primary question is whether or not your family has any issue with you, correct?
LISA: Correct. Since they passed away, weird things happen in the house. I don't know if it's them.
Ms. BROWNE: It is them, but what Montel said, which I want to address first, is nobody blames you for this. I don't even want you to blame you for this.
WILLIAMS: And you--you know, there is--forget about the psychic component to this, because Sylvia can fill that in--but there is a malady that's survivor's guilt.
Ms. BROWNE: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: Especially having post-traumatic stress.
Ms. BROWNE: "Red Badge of Courage." Yes.
WILLIAMS: So this is something that you should be seeing somebody about.
Ms. BROWNE: Exactly.
WILLIAMS: So if you have a question for Sylvia right now about your loved ones, then I'd say ask her. And then I'm going to let you get up right now and walk backstage and talk to Dr. Salzer...
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, Dr. Salzer. Yeah.
WILLIAMS: ...because there's some other issues here that you got to deal with. And part of what your--yes, you may be being visited, and let's talk about that. Are they--are her relatives coming by?
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, yes, yeah. Yeah. Because her--especially her husband, the--the guy, you know, the--with the beautiful face, and the little kid, they come around all the time, except for the fact that the little kid is going to be eventually 30, do you see what I mean? Because we're all 30 on the other side. So you're not going to have just this little baby running around.
LISA: OK, like, when I have dreams of her, I don't dream--I dream of her as a baby. I don't...
Ms. BROWNE: Sure, you would, because that's how she would come to you, because you wouldn't know her as a 30-year-old.
LISA: Mm-hmm. The other questions that I have is is that how the fire started? There was other things.
Ms. BROWNE: See, I keep getting electricity. There's something wrong with the electricity.
LISA: OK.
WILLIAMS: And the fire department said it was a cigarette?
Ms. BROWNE: The fire department said it was a discharged cigarette and a...
Ms. BROWNE: What's a discharged cigarette?
LISA: ...a recliner.
WILLIAMS: Cigarette thrown on the floor?
LISA: A re--in a recliner, that it caught the recliner on fire, and they said that's what started the fire on the bottom half...
WILLIAMS: Do either one of you smoke?
LISA: The guy that was downstairs, he smoked. I did, but I was upstairs.
WILLIAMS: Did he get out?
LISA: Yes, he did, and it was his house, and we were staying the night over there, and that's why I wanted to know if that's how the fire started or...
Ms. BROWNE: I think the cigarette added to it, but I'm telling you, there's something that had to do with electricity. So whether it was--I don't know what a discharged cigarette is, but anyway, unless it hit an electrical wiring...
LISA: OK.
WILLIAMS: Let me do this. because I think some of this may...
Ms. BROWNE: Yeah, it's a survivor thing, yeah.
WILLIAMS: You may get helped a little bit if you got to see somebody. Have you talked to anybody since this was over? Any psychiatrist, psychologist, family therapist?
LISA: No.
WILLIAMS: Why not?
LISA: Because I feel like I can't tell a complete stranger--a complete stranger can't tell me how to deal with...
WILLIAMS: Darling, do you know her? Do you know her? Guess what? Look into that screen right there. There are six million complete strangers that just heard what you had to say. So if you can come here and sit and talk, then trust me enough to know that that woman sitting right over there that's here with me 365 days a year, I guarantee you, will be able to help you put some of this in place for yourself. Some of this will go away, I guarantee it.
Ms. BROWNE: Right.
Ms. BROWNE: You can tell me.
WILLIAMS: Go that way. Go that way.
Yes, ma'am. You had a question for Sylvia. Stand up for me
...
If any other cause was found for the fire, there is no article about it.
