Sylvia Browne branching out??

[SeekingTruth]

Interesting new piece at the Novus Spiritus website here:
http://www.novus.org/home/whatsnew.cfm

"Join Sylvia in supporting Native American education! Native Doors Networking Senter is dedicated to developing a strong Native American community by developing academically strong Native American students. Visit
Native Doors Networking Senter website to see what you can do to support this important cause! "

Here's the link: http://www.nativedoorsnetworkingsenter.com/

When I went to the link for the website, what I found at the top was most interesting.
John Ammon, President
His wife, Gloria Ammon, Executive Director

John is one of Sylvia’s ministers – and a Novus Board member – his wife is also one of Sylvia’s ministers….

Would be most interesting to discover SB's connection to this. Maybe RSL's Stop Sylvia Browne website is curtailing her income and she needs to find another avenue to get her hands on money?

ST

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Oh, that's interesting. Why do they spell "center" with an S? (senter). It's obviously not just a typo, as they put it in the acronym as well.

 

[articulett]

That is interesting...she's parlaying her church funds into a shamanistic knock off... Reminds me of Peter Popoff laying low and then coming back to proffer his magic water...

Where there's a woo, there's a way.

 

[Loss Leader]

Well, from my limited examination, the thing looks real.

The S in "Senter" comes from the address of the program on Senter Road in Santa Clara.

It appears that Mr. and Mrs. Ammon have been involved with servicing the Native American community for some time as the Indian American Education Program. Now they have an opportunity to house themselves in a real facility as part of a low-income housing project and to turn their small program into a full-time educational center.

In order to build the new facility, they need $270,000.00. Their web site doesn't look slick enough to indicate that either Mr. or Mrs. Ammon has any idea how to raise that kind of money.

So, this appears to be nothing more than a charity that Sylvia supports. Of course, there's no telling how much support she's giving. If two of her top NS people are behind the charity, its a pretty safe bet that they got a nice check. It's also clear that they didn't get an overwhelming donation because they haven't named anything after Sylvia and they still need $270,000.00.

I'm sure such a program would be of great value to the children in the area. I'm also sure that the Ammons are in way over their heads.

 

[Zep]

I'm betting it's some part of an attempt by Sylvia to disperse some of her ill-gotten gains into the hands of some tame and trusted supporters. This is so she can claim she has no money left on the "church" (RSL has driven her broke! boo hoo!), but she still has it all so she can live the lifestyle at other peoples' expense.

Also, it could be a tax-dodge. The money never really leaves her control, but gets counted as a "donation".

Whatever, the native Americans certainly won't see one cent of it.

 

[tkingdoll]

Could be a convoluted attempt to play the race card. If she aligns herself closely enough with this group, it will make it harder to try and 'bring her down', so to speak. Attack Sylvia, and you are attacking Native Americans! You racist!

 

[Loss Leader]

I think it's just a charity to which she's given some money.

It's not like it's The Sylvia Browne Foundation for Native American Education.

Bad people can, occassionally, do good things. I don't think there's anything to get excited about.

 

[tkingdoll]

I think it's just a charity to which she's given some money.

It's not like it's The Sylvia Browne Foundation for Native American Education.

Bad people can, occassionally, do good things. I don't think there's anything to get excited about.

Yes, but if she's starting to publicise her altruism, it makes it harder to publicly criticise her. You see?

"leave Sylvia alone, you claim she causes harm but look at her charity work!"

 

[RSLancastr]

Teek, she's been trying that with her checks to the MS Foundation on Montel's show. But, at her income level, the $30,000 she gave to Montel would be like the average person giving fifty bucks.

 

[articulett]

Teek, she's been trying that with her checks to the MS Foundation on Montel's show. But, at her income level, the $30,000 she gave to Montel would be like the average person giving fifty bucks.

And having her on the show is like endorsing her...doing an ad. That's a small price to play for major "product endorsement"--and she can write it off. Plus, charitable donations not only giver her notability, but both Montel and her Native American niceties will make her look more credible and honest than she is.

 

[Loss Leader]

And having her on the show is like endorsing her...doing an ad. That's a small price to play for major "product endorsement"--and she can write it off. Plus, charitable donations not only giver her notability, but both Montel and her Native American niceties will make her look more credible and honest than she is.

The only problem with that is that it is credible and it is honest. She did give$30k to Montel's pet charity. She (probably) did give a nice gift to this charity. They're both real, they're both doing good work, they're both (probably) not trying to indoctrinate poor little Native Americans with MS into Novus Spiritus.

There's enough about Browne that really is disgusting that I don't think there's any need to get upset about the infintesimal sliver of good that she accidentally does for publicity and tax reasons.

 

[SeekingTruth]

The only problem with that is that it is credible and it is honest. She did give$30k to Montel's pet charity. She (probably) did give a nice gift to this charity. They're both real, they're both doing good work, they're both (probably) not trying to indoctrinate poor little Native Americans with MS into Novus Spiritus.

There's enough about Browne that really is disgusting that I don't think there's any need to get upset about the infintesimal sliver of good that she accidentally does for publicity and tax reasons.

I would agree EXCEPT knowing SB and the organization as intimately as I do, I'm 99.999% sure that there is an ulterior motive for this latest venture - time will tell.

A good example - she publicly has stated that her organization has already built a school, day care center, retirement home and hospice and yet all the time I was in her organization, all I saw was continual requests through the study groups as well as publicly at lectures for donations so these places could become a reality - a reality that she's stated in the JOS books has already happened.

Perhaps her board is looking for their own ways to support themselves now that Sylvia is under attack and taking a page from Sylvia's game plan??

ST

 

[Loss Leader]

A good example - she publicly has stated that her organization has already built a school, day care center, retirement home and hospice and yet all the time I was in her organization, all I saw was continual requests through the study groups as well as publicly at lectures for donations so these places could become a reality - a reality that she's stated in the JOS books has already happened.

Oh yeah, it's possible she hasn't really given a dime. I think she has, though. In Montel's case, MS is probably the only thing he cares more about than he does his ratings on Wednesdays. I don't think he'd be able to tolerate a claim about a gift without the gift having been made.

In the case of the Ammons, there's no indication of what Sylvia's actual donation might have been. But just putting it in the newsletter should help the charity raise some money.

But would I be surprised to find out both donations are fictitious? Not at all.

 

[articulett]

I'm not saying it's not good. I'm saying she gets publicity from both ventures without having to pay for the advertisement. Montel certainly ads to her credibility and sales...and she is funding a charity with leaders who are part of her group... She's not paying to help out...she's paying as a way of bringing in more business and keep the business "in the family" without having to pay taxes on it.

 

[Loss Leader]

I'm not saying it's not good. I'm saying she gets publicity from both ventures without having to pay for the advertisement. Montel certainly ads to her credibility and sales...and she is funding a charity with leaders who are part of her group... She's not paying to help out...she's paying as a way of bringing in more business and keep the business "in the family" without having to pay taxes on it.

I believe all of what you just said is true. I'm just not sure how that's differnt from any other business. Provident Bank, in my area, has been a great supporter of an agency that operates community residences for the mentally ill. The reason Provident does it at all is to get free publicity that makes it look like it "cares" about the community. (It doesn't; it's a bank.) The reason they picked this charity is that one of the Vice Presidents has a disabled sibling.

There are some corporations that spend more on publicizing their charitable work than they actually give to the charity. But this doesn't appear even to be the case with Sylvia.

So, um, I don't like her. But I can't fault her (yet) for this.