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Supreme Court Revives Clintons' Vince Foster Scandal

Newsmax? Ich. I've never seen evidence that he actually killed himself. I've seen lots of circumstancial evidence of foul play. However, without hard evidence of foul play law enforcement was forced to conclude suicide. I still don't know why Bill Clinton didn't force more investigation of the death of one of his wife's best friends.
 
I heard more odd facts about the death of Ron Brown. A little searching turns up the stories, which I'm too lazy to provide to you. But since I one day hope to involved in my own grand conspiracy (ala the Round Table or Bohemian Society), I should not speculate about such things.
 
American said:
I heard more odd facts about the death of Ron Brown. A little searching turns up the stories, which I'm too lazy to provide to you. But since I one day hope to involved in my own grand conspiracy (ala the Round Table or Bohemian Society), I should not speculate about such things.
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Ron Brown died in a plane crash. People need to get over it. You can find lots of odd facts about anyone's death to make up a conspiracy.

Vince Foster however, shot himself with the wrong hand (there is a disputed story that the first person to find the body found no gun). No bullet was found. He had gotten laid right before killing himself to someone other than his wife (he got his jollies and then drove out to a park and killed himself?). And there is other forensic evidence that is circumstancial that paints a picture other than suicide.

He might have committed suicide, but I think his body must have been moved if you look at the evidence.

Again though, I see no hard evidence of there being a suicide. Then again there is no hard evidence that it was a murder.
 
Just because a married man and woman are friends, why does it have to be filled with innuendo?

Vince Foster was depressed and left a note. He also felt he had let his other friend--Bill Clinton--down.

The Republicans just can't stop trying to smear the Clintons can they?

Guess they still hope "guilt by association" (or more to the point, smear tactics) will work.
 
Clancy said:
Just because a married man and woman are friends, why does it have to be filled with innuendo?

Vince Foster was depressed and left a note. He also felt he had let his other friend--Bill Clinton--down.

The Republicans just can't stop trying to smear the Clintons can they?

Guess they still hope "guilt by association" (or more to the point, smear tactics) will work.
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As corplinx pointed out there are many reasons to be suspicious of the case plus many feel Foster's suicide note was a forgery.
 
So what's the right wing Clinton-hater explanation for Foster's death?

That he and Hillary were having an affair so (Clinton? the FBI? who?) decided he had to be killed?

How ridiculous can it get?
 
Clancy said:
So what's the right wing Clinton-hater explanation for Foster's death?
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No earthly idea. Go visit one of those woo-woo black helicoptor sites and find out.
 
Clancy said:

Vince Foster was depressed and left a note.
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Yes, poor depressed Vince Foster got laid and then killed himself that morning. He was left handed and they found the gun in his right hand. I guess he was so depressed he forgot which hand to use.

The only evidence they have that he was killed at the scene his body was found was the fact that his body was there. The bullet and fragments from the exit wound were suspiciously missing.

I wish people could look at this objectively without going into kneejerk kill-bill or defend-bill modes. His relationship with the Clinton's and his his past amorous liasons with Hillary have no bearing on whether or not the forensic evidence is lacking.
 
He was left handed and they found the gun in his right hand.

The only evidence they have that he was killed at the scene his body was found was the fact that his body was there. The bullet and fragments from the exit wound were suspiciously missing.

...His relationship with the Clinton's and his past amorous liasons with Hillary have no bearing on whether or not the forensic evidence is lacking
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These are the key items in the smear of Foster/Clinton. However, looking them up online, I was unable to find any reputable newspaper to independently confirm any of this, only unsupported statements from obviously anti-Clinton, anti-liberal political sites.

Anyone have a link to the facts of the investigation from a reputable source?
 
corplinx said:
Ron Brown died in a plane crash. People need to get over it. You can find lots of odd facts about anyone's death to make up a conspiracy.
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RON BROWN!

Ron. Brown.

Ronbrown.
 
Clancy said:


These are the key items in the smear of Foster/Clinton. However, looking them up online, I was unable to find any reputable newspaper to independently confirm any of this, only unsupported statements from obviously anti-Clinton, anti-liberal political sites.

Anyone have a link to the facts of the investigation from a reputable source?
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Unfortunately, I think that will be your only sources since _park rangers_ investigated. Congress tried to look into the matter and there may be some old transcripts.
 
Baker said:

This could get interesting who here believes that there was more too Vince Foster's death then was let out?
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I think that Vince Foster committed suicide.

Further, I think that the Clintons will not be substantively affected by this case since it simply involves some pictures being released to the public. Therefore, I fail to see how the Clintons will be directly affected by what the court decides one way or the other.

The court is simply going to determine if photos of Foster's body taken during the investigation will be released to the public about six months from now. The article you posted says:


Urged by the Bush administration, the court said it would decide in autumn whether the government must release post mortem pictures of the Clinton White House attorney's "suicide."
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http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm

2. Vincent Foster - former White House Counsel, found dead of a gunshot wound to the head and ruled a suicide. He had significant knowledge of the Clintons' financial affairs and was a business partner with Hillary. If the Clintons are guilty of the crimes they are accused of by Larry, Vincent Foster would have detailed knowledge of those crimes.



This laundry list of deaths always refers to someone taking his life as "ruled a suicide," thus implying another conclusion of equal likelihood was capriciously dismissed by someone who had the power to do so. From here on, read "ruled a suicide" as "an investigation was carried out, arriving at this as the only reasonable conclusion."

White House deputy counsel Vince Foster committed suicide on the night of 20 July 1993 by shooting himself once in the head, a day after he contacted his doctor about his depression. A note in the form of a draft resignation letter was found in the bottom of his briefcase a week after his death. (Note that this letter was not, as is often claimed, a "suicide note." It was Foster's outline for a letter of resignation.) Foster cited negative Wall Street Journal editorials about him. He was also upset about the much-criticized role of the counsel's office in the controversial firing of seven White House travel office workers.

On 10 October 1997, special prosecutor Kenneth Starr released his report on the investigation into Foster's death, the third such investigation (after ones conducted by the coroner and Starr's predecessor, Robert B. Fiske) of the matter. The 114-page summary of a three-year investigation concluded that Foster shot himself with the pistol discovered in his right hand. There was no sign of a struggle, nor any evidence he'd been drugged or intoxicated or that his body had been moved.

If Foster had been murdered or if unanswered questions about his death remained, Starr would have been the last person to want to conclude the investigation prematurely. Or are we to believe Starr is part of the cover up, too? And if we buy into the conspiracy theory, what are we expected to believe? That a group of professional killers capable of carrying out dozens of murders all over the world shot Vince Foster, then clumsily dumped him in a park (after he had bled out), planted a gun he didn't own in his hand (without bothering to press his fingerprints onto it), amateurishly forged a suicide note (in several different handwritings), and then seriously expected the nation would believe it was suicide? Claims too crazy to believe are never discounted when they're needed to help establish a conspiracy, of course.
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Thanks for the good summary, Renata.

The word that should be in quotes in this story isn't "suicide", it's the one in the title of this thread, The Vince Foster "Scandal".

Seriously, if I hired a team of assassins to eliminate people who were giving the Clinton problems (roflmao), I think I'd start with Limbaugh and Starr and Tripp, and throw in about two or three thousand more professional Clinton-haters (plus Monica Lewinsky), before I'd narrow the list to start killing his loyal friends (like Foster).

If Starr could have found something--anything--after all those millions wasted on that investigation, he would have.

And I never understood the big fuss the media made over the travel office staffing changes either. If that had been done by Laura Bush instead of Hillary, I'm positive no one would have said a thing!
 
corplinx said:


Vince Foster however, shot himself with the wrong hand (there is a disputed story that the first person to find the body found no gun).
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How do you know he was left-handed? If so, then does that mean it was impossible for him to use his right hand? Was his right arm/hand disabled in a way that would prevent him from shooting himself in the head? I think the [alleged] fact that he used his non-dominant hand to shoot himself is a non-sequitor otherwise all switch-hitting lefties in the National League would vanish in a puff of logic. I think it could mean he was simply not sure about his decision to kill himself and that doubt carried through up to the final moment.


No bullet was found. He had gotten laid right before killing himself to someone other than his wife (he got his jollies and then drove out to a park and killed himself?).
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Again, how does this eliminate the possibilty of a suicide? Maybe he was feeling guilty about the [alleged] encounter. Maybe the bullet exited his skull and was then lost in the woods. How hard did the police look for the bullet when the obvious cause of death was determined?

And there is other forensic evidence that is circumstancial that paints a picture other than suicide.

He might have committed suicide, but I think his body must have been moved if you look at the evidence.

Again though, I see no hard evidence of there being a suicide. Then again there is no hard evidence that it was a murder.
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What other circumstantial forensic evidence are you referring to? What evidence suggests that the body was moved? Were there drag marks near the body? Blood trail maybe? If Ken Starr failed to find foul-play in spite of an enormous impetus do so, then why is it so hard to accept the simple fact that Vince Foster succumed to the leading cause of death among people with severe clinical depression. Trust me on this. I have been there. He killed himself.

By the way, what ever happened to the Gnu?
 
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Crossbow said:


I think that Vince Foster committed suicide.

Further, I think that the Clintons will not be substantively affected by this case since it simply involves some pictures being released to the public. Therefore, I fail to see how the Clintons will be directly affected by what the court decides one way or the other.

The court is simply going to determine if photos of Foster's body taken during the investigation will be released to the public about six months from now. The article you posted says:
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I believe if the group doesn’t go public with the photo’s it shouldn’t be a problem and that examine them in privet.
It might not change any thing but it could help clear a lot of the suspicion on the case.
 
NightG1 said:


Again, how does this eliminate the possibilty of a suicide?

what ever happened to the Gnu?
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I didnt say suicide was ruled out. However, I have seen no evidence of suicide or murder. Personally, I think this whole thing would just be another unsolved mystery if his offices hadn't been raided right after his death was announced. It just looked bad at the time.

If it was suicide, he could have at least put some blood and fingerprints on the gun. He was supposed to have put the gun in his mouth and fire up into his brain. Usually when someone does this it gets blood on the gun. Again, nothing conclusive, It is conceivable that the gun would not get blood on it. No fingerprints were found on the gun. Of course, that is also possible if he committed suicide. The proper way to fire a gun is to press the trigger with your finger pad. However, most people who dont know better hook their first finger joint over the trigger and pull it. Again, the fingerprintless gun is not evidence of foul play.

Now, the woo woos see the subsequent raiding of his offices and the "suicide note" (which was not a suicide note and whose timing and condition were suspicious) as proof of a conspiracy. The skeptic simply sees another case where the burden of proof is on the claimants. The appearance of foul play does not prove foul play.

read here and debunk yourself

While the claims and implications sites like this one make are interesting, many of the "interesting" bits are simply not hard proof.

Finally, I got rid of the Gnu because I needed a change. :)
 
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