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Super Oxy Stabilised Oxygen - help!!

SimonJ1966

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Hi All,

I see my flat mate paying lots of his Hard earned pay of woowoo crap.
It upsets me to think a very intelligent person can do so without real evidence or medical support behind the products.

He claims it works for him, so thats great - but i also suspect he's been ripped off - and any affect felt is a perception that any placebo might give him.

He also tries to lecture me on their virtues. I am firmly camped on the skeptical side of the fence, and to date have suffred his rantings in good humour. His girlfriend also tolerates this too.

I have no wish to offend him - but i feel i ought to try and offer him something in the way of a critical analysis of these so called health Products.

The main products that are bought by him are Super Oxy suspeded oxygen.
and Mangosteen.

My SCUBA Diving theory and practice tells me good O'l 21% oxygen is about right for us humans in normal day to day circumstances, and higher concentrations are for medical use to treat specific problems. This alone makes me suspicious of that product. I cant find information that can help me better understand it, and perhap validate its value (or shoot it down in flames!!!). I know he's forking out nearly $70 bucks a bottle!!!

What advice can others give me on how to broach the topic with him, with the aim of getting him to research this out a bit better, and to perhaps have a more critical look at Health Products before reaching in for his wallet.

He's one of these types that just reads the testimonials or anecdotal claims and thats good enough.

I am sure people here must have cracked harder nuts!!

I have also pasted some text of claims / product info from the vendors website(s)

Any good advice appreciated

Cheers Simon.




"Oxygen Therapies have been used medically for over 100 years. The basis of the therapy is quite simple. Ultimately toxicity collects within the body over time. This build up of toxicity can have physical, emotional and behavioural co-factors, which must also be addressed. Such toxicity within the body invites the proliferation of anaerobic disease causing micro-organisms. Oxygen Therapies are used to flood the body with active forms of oxygen. When the body becomes safely saturated with these special forms of oxygen; it reaches a state of purity wherein the disease micro-organisms are killed; and the underlying toxicity is oxidised and eliminated from the body." Ed McCabe 1992.


Oxy-Boost Activated Stabilised Oxygen

Many scientists were stunned recently when it was revealed that air bubbles trapped in fossilised amber had been analysed and found to contain oxygen levels of 38%. Yet today, it is well known that the average oxygen content of air is only 19%-21%. In other words, since the early history of the earth it appears that there has been a 50% drop in the average oxygen content in the air we breathe. This suggests that the human body was originally designed to operate at a 50% stronger concentration of oxygen than is currently available.

Research suggests there to be direct correlation between decreases in oxygen levels and seemingly concurrent increases in human illness and disease.

"......German bio-chemist Dr. Otto Warburg who was awarded the Nobel prize for his research into the cause of cancer, was convinced that cancer cells can only begin to proliferate in the human body when the cells become oxygen deficient. Furthermore, his research showed that cancer cells cannot proliferate at all when exposed to an oxygen-rich environment"
- (Bio- Tech News, Portland, Oregon, USA)

Oxy-Boost Activated Stabilised Oxygen is based on a new generation of super oxygenation technology developed by Dr. William Koch M.D. Ph.D. which was later utilised by NASA for the space research program. It is a safe, non-toxic, supplement containing stabilised oxygen molecules in a liquid solution of sodium chloride (salt) and distilled water.

When taken orally as a daily supplement (5-10 sprays into the mouth under the tongue or 10-15 sprays into a glass of water or juice, three times per day), it makes pure oxygen available to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. This gives your body’s cells and tissues the extra oxygen needed to fire your body’s vital oxidising processes.

Stabilised oxygen, it is said, can accelerate the results of herbal, vitamin, enzyme and mineral complementary supplements, boost energy levels, strengthen the immune system, heighten concentration and alertness, rapidly kill infectious bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites without harming beneficial micro-organisms needed by the body.
 
I'm not familiar with the product, but lets say that it actually DOES increase your oxygen intake. This is not always a good thing.

[Disclaimer: Don't trust medical advice from the internet. Ask Mom :)]

My understanding is that excessive oxygen is actually harmful to the human body in the long term. I've no medical training, but I recall that hospitals only keep people on pure O2 as long as necessary, and even then it can cause damage. The exact mechanism is beyond my knowledge, but I gather that it makes certain cell functions work in overdrive.

On the subject of historical O2: Yes, we have had much higher (and lower) levels in the past. When it was 38%, the planet was 10 degrees C warmer, mostly tropical, and giant lizards were eating our very distant ancestors. In fact, life really did well in those days, but we are not evolved to handle it.

BTW, Good on ya for wanting to help your friend, not just condemning 'em :)
 
"Oxygen Therapies have been used medically for over 100 years. The basis of the therapy is quite simple. Ultimately toxicity collects within the body over time.

Okay, so I am not a native speaker, but my understanding of the language and a dictionary seem to be telling me that "Toxicity collects within the body." isn't even a proper sentence.

Maybe using "accumulate" and "toxins" might have worked better.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, please.

That aside, I doubt that even toxins will ultimately accumulate in the body; at least not with that high a degree of certainty.

This build up of toxicity can have physical, emotional and behavioural
co-factors, which must also be addressed.

Are these co-factors other symptoms or causes of the toxication? How and why must they be also addressed? What happens if they aren't addressed?

Such toxicity within the body invites the proliferation of anaerobic disease causing micro-organisms.

Okay, anaerobic diseases exists, they got that much right. Toxins will often affect the body's immune system, so they kinda have a point there. The rest shows, again, how little they know and understand.

The anaerobic disease is caused by the micro organisms (vulgo bacteria). There is no mysterious disease that creates independent micro organisms. (spontaneous creation of life by lack of oxygen...? I don't think so!)

Oxygen Therapies are used to flood the body with active forms of oxygen.

Please name at least three different forms of active oxygen, and explain how they differ from normal oxygen (or inactive oxygen.) Explain further how they are different from each other, and how it is important that we should use active forms of oxygen for medical treatment rather than the good ol plain vanilla regular oxygen.

When the body becomes safely saturated with these special forms of oxygen; it reaches a state of purity wherein the disease micro-organisms are killed;

My biology here fails me; I suppose this would work with some forms of anaerobic disease, I doubt inhaling will do you lots of good for all forms, though.

and the underlying toxicity is oxidised and eliminated from the body."

*sighs* Toxins might perhaps be oxidised, toxicity hardly so.

How can anyone trust a company that is either unable to pay a translator for their medical products or - making the daring assumption that English is their native language - that can't even communicate what their medication does?

You should perhaps try and find out what proper medical oxygen costs, and also see if there is any information about how long it lasts. A whizz or two a few times per day will just plain not saturate the body.

Which probably is a good thing. As a diver you will probably know tons more about oxygen poisoning than I do, though.
 
Ok, just re-read the claims, and I'm mad...

Many scientists were stunned recently when it was revealed that air bubbles trapped in fossilised amber had been analysed and found to contain oxygen levels of 38%.

It's neither recent nor stunning, the world was much warmer, and plants were thriving. They respire and expel oxygen. It's what they do. For the record, CO2 levels were also high.

Yet today, it is well known that the average oxygen content of air is only 19%-21%. In other words, since the early history of the earth it appears that there has been a 50% drop in the average oxygen content in the air we breathe.

Depends on when you start counting... for hundreds of millions of years, the air had virtually NO oxygen, because what little that got expelled (primarily due to volcanoes) was absorbed by the ocean and other bodies of water (both dissolved and bound w/iron). Shortly after the O2 pressure rose, animals left the sea.

This suggests that the human body was originally designed to operate at a 50% stronger concentration of oxygen than is currently available.

BS. This happened hundreds of millions of years before people existed.

Research suggests there to be direct correlation between decreases in oxygen levels and seemingly concurrent increases in human illness and disease.

"......German bio-chemist Dr. Otto Warburg who was awarded the Nobel prize for his research into the cause of cancer, was convinced that cancer cells can only begin to proliferate in the human body when the cells become oxygen deficient. Furthermore, his research showed that cancer cells cannot proliferate at all when exposed to an oxygen-rich environment"
- (Bio- Tech News, Portland, Oregon, USA)

According to nobelprize.org, he discovered that cancer cells can live with or without oxygen. Mind you, this was 80 years ago, and this statement is a gross simplification of a complex problem. There is no such thing as a "Cancer Cell", cancer is basically a behavior that cells sometimes exhibit.

Oxy-Boost Activated Stabilised Oxygen is based on a new generation of super oxygenation technology developed by Dr. William Koch M.D. Ph.D. which was later utilised by NASA for the space research program. It is a safe, non-toxic, supplement containing stabilised oxygen molecules in a liquid solution of sodium chloride (salt) and distilled water.

I can't speak to the science, it's beyond my knowledge. I will just note that it is somewhat suspicious when the doctors website contains phrases like "Organized Medicine launched a fifty-year, unlimited assault aimed at discrediting Dr. Koch’s reputation" , "Dr. Koch endured such extensive persecution in regard to his science" and "Organized Medicine developed an extensive propaganda campaign". These phrases prove nothing either way... it's just funny how persecuted many "alternative" theorists are.

When taken orally as a daily supplement (5-10 sprays into the mouth under the tongue or 10-15 sprays into a glass of water or juice, three times per day), it makes pure oxygen available to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. This gives your body’s cells and tissues the extra oxygen needed to fire your body’s vital oxidising processes.

We breath many litres of air per minute, and a few sprays a day increases our intake 50%?

Stabilised oxygen, it is said, can accelerate the results of herbal, vitamin, enzyme and mineral complementary supplements, boost energy levels, strengthen the immune system, heighten concentration and alertness, rapidly kill infectious bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites without harming beneficial micro-organisms needed by the body.

Yeah, "It is said" that unscrupulous weasels use phrases like "seems to", "it is said", and "Research suggests there to be direct correlation" to suggest certainty when there is none.

A scientist may well say "there is a correlation", but then he backs it up with a confidence level and an error percentage. These people are no scientists, they are snake-oil peddlers who've merely chosen a different substance.

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Oxy-Boost Activated Stabilised Oxygen is based on a new generation of super oxygenation technology developed by Dr. William Koch M.D. Ph.D. which was later utilised by NASA for the space research program. It is a safe, non-toxic, supplement containing stabilised oxygen molecules in a liquid solution of sodium chloride (salt) and distilled water.
(Bolding mine.) Really? Why, then, did the FTC sue Rose Creek Health Products over false medical claims? The above bit of hokum is specifically cited in the FTC's court submission.


When taken orally as a daily supplement (5-10 sprays into the mouth under the tongue or 10-15 sprays into a glass of water or juice, three times per day), it makes pure oxygen available to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. This gives your body’s cells and tissues the extra oxygen needed to fire your body’s vital oxidising processes.
Rubbish. There's no known mechanism of oxygen absorbtion and transport by haemoglobin other than that which occurs across the alveoli in the lungs. This is a gaseous exchange, driven by the partial pressure of oxygen in the inhaled air. Oxygen dissolved in water is recoverable through boiling or gills, neither of which are readily available during the normal course of respiration. Moreover, the quantity of oxygen from a few drops of such a solution would provide far less oxygen than even only half a mouthful of ordinary air.


Stabilised oxygen, it is said, can accelerate the results of herbal, vitamin, enzyme and mineral complementary supplements, boost energy levels, strengthen the immune system, heighten concentration and alertness, rapidly kill infectious bacteria, viruses, fungi and parasites without harming beneficial micro-organisms needed by the body.
High concentrations of oxygen will indeed kill many microorganisms. It doesn't care a jot whether these micro-organisms are harmful or not, and this effect also depends on the ambient pressure. As for accelerating and strengthening various things, it is unclear what "Stabilised oxygen" is chemically. Oxygen usually occurs as O2, which is quite reactive. Other forms are plain O on its own which is highly reactive (and therefore unusual), and O3 (ozone) which is also reactive but has an unmistakable smell and doesn't make for healthy breathing. If "stabilised oxygen" is part of a compound, e.g. an oxide, the oxygen itself won't be readily available.

'Luthon64
 
I'd sure love to see the chemical description of a `stabilised' oxygen molecule and how exactly it differs from good ol' O2.

Ha, who am I kidding? It probably has ergone energy holding the atoms together.
 
I'd sure love to see the chemical description of a `stabilised' oxygen molecule and how exactly it differs from good ol' O2.

Ha, who am I kidding? It probably has ergone energy holding the atoms together.

It looks just like O2, but the atoms are reversed.
 
Oxy-Boost Activated Stabilised Oxygen is based on a new generation of super oxygenation technology developed by Dr. William Koch M.D. Ph.D. which was later utilised by NASA for the space research program. It is a safe, non-toxic, supplement containing stabilised oxygen molecules in a liquid solution of sodium chloride (salt) and distilled water.

You might like to tell him Geoman's Woo Spotting Rule #1: Never trust a man with both "Dr" and "PhD" in his title.
 
I can't post a direct link because I'm rather new around here, but if you google "Bob Park Oxygen Water", you'll find a few of Bob Park's "what's new" columns that discuss similar claims. He does a bit of math that dispels a lot of the claims about such things.
 
What advice can others give me on how to broach the topic with him, with the aim of getting him to research this out a bit better, and to perhaps have a more critical look at Health Products before reaching in for his wallet.

He's one of these types that just reads the testimonials or anecdotal claims and thats good enough.
First convince him he needs an herbal product to protect him from damage by "free radicals". I'm sure a web search will return plenty of products making this claim, all with tons of testimonials and anecdotes.

Then, once he buys into it, point out that excess oxygen is the biggest source of free radicals, so if he gives up Oxy-Boost he'll definitely be ahead...

Which is just a round about way of pointing out to him that if Oxy-Boost really did what it says it would actually be dangerous...
 
You might like to tell him Geoman's Woo Spotting Rule #1: Never trust a man with both "Dr" and "PhD" in his title.

Um, wrong. Most medical research, including the kind that got my wife her PhD, is done by people with MD and PhD degrees, if that's what you mean. If you just mean a PhD using the title "Dr", I would again disagree. Anyone with a PhD in any field (at least from an accredited university) is entitled to use the title "Dr".
 
Okay, so I am not a native speaker, but my understanding of the language and a dictionary seem to be telling me that "Toxicity collects within the body." isn't even a proper sentence.

For what it's worth, I AM a native english speaker and I had to read that sentance a few times to realize the error in it (That probably says as much about my poor english skills as it does about your good ones). Good job!

Okay, I really have nothing else of substance to add, except to repeat the question "What is the difference between stabilized oxygen and the good ol' fashioned kind?"
 
For what it's worth, I AM a native english speaker and I had to read that sentance a few times to realize the error in it (That probably says as much about my poor english skills as it does about your good ones). Good job!

Cheers,

it would have been rather awkward had I been wrong, but I felt like pointing it out.

Okay, I really have nothing else of substance to add, except to repeat the question "What is the difference between stabilized oxygen and the good ol' fashioned kind?"

I only just noticed another point: Why is the stabilized oxygen the active variety? I would assume that the less stable the oxygen, the more active it would be?

My head is begging to hurt again, I shall have an extra active and double stabilized aspirin...

Rasmus.
 
"When the body becomes safely saturated with these special forms of oxygen; it reaches a state of purity wherein the disease micro-organisms are killed;
Dunno about you guys, but if somebody's body is oxygen-saturated, I want to be a looooong way away from them....
I recollect that during the days of loading the X-24C onto a B-52, the O2 overflow onto the tarmac allowed the asphalt caulking strips on the runway to become saturated--and the extra energy from stepping on them caused little-bitty "Bangs"
 

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