Stupid, stupid vegans kill their own baby

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I know being rude about vegans has the feel somehow of kicking a puppy, what with their gentle, animal loving natures and all but this example of the death of an innocent caused by trendy dietary faddishness has made my blood boil.
WHEN Crown Shakur died of starvation, he was 6 weeks old and weighed 3.5 pounds. His vegan parents, who fed him mainly soy milk and apple juice, were convicted in Atlanta recently of murder, involuntary manslaughter and cruelty... An adult who was well-nourished in utero and in infancy may choose to get by on a vegan diet, but babies are built from protein, calcium, cholesterol and fish oil. Children fed only plants will not get the precious things they need to live and grow.
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Yuri
 
Incredible. I've always disliked hippies and spat on vegeterarians, vegans and any other class of nutjob but this time, it's not veganism per se to blame, it's insanity. Those must just be sick people.

I abstain from veal because it's flat out morally wrong to eat it and I never particularly liked veal anyway but other than that, I see nothing wrong with eating meat, like nature intended us to.
 
How the heck can you not worry about your newborn baby fading away like that?

Two years ago, I would have found this sickening. Now that I'm a father, I find this sickening, infuriating and just plain disgusting on every level. Words fail to convey the emotion.
 
Quite honestly, I think it's better that the baby died instead of surviving with brain damage and physical disability you'd get from this type of malnutrition.

Then again, I'm not a parent and I shouldn't say.
 
6 weeks old,

Surely you would have to be an insanly fundamentalist vegan *not* to breastfeed a child at that age. Yes I *do* know that breastmilk is an animal product, but surely an exception can be made...


I'm with Oualawouzouon this.
 
I am related to the Prosecutor on this case (wife's cousins husband which officially makes him nothing to me, but i will say related) Next time I see him I will ask about the situation. From reading the local papers about the case it appears they were stupid and believing too much of the Vegan Woo. I'll see if I can get anything from Chuck to add to this thread.

Jon
 
jimbob said:
6 weeks old,

Surely you would have to be an insanly fundamentalist vegan *not* to breastfeed a child at that age. Yes I *do* know that breastmilk is an animal product, but surely an exception can be made...


I'm with Oualawouzouon this.
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I know that some mothers have difficulty with breastfeeding. And I mean physical difficulty, not emotional difficulty. But if they refused to breast feed that poor child because they thought that it somehow offended their vegan convictions then they are just plain stupid. I'm talking about heavy duty stupidity too, not run of the mill stupidity. The kind of stupidity that leads to parents watching their infant starve to death when it would be simple for them to raise a well nourished, healthy child.
 
EeneyMinnieMoe said:
Incredible. I've always disliked hippies and spat on vegeterarians, vegans and any other class of nutjob but this time, it's not veganism per se to blame, it's insanity. Those must just be sick people.

I abstain from veal because it's flat out morally wrong to eat it and I never particularly liked veal anyway but other than that, I see nothing wrong with eating meat, like nature intended us to.
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Nature may have intended us to eat meat, but that doesn't mean we can't choose not to.

I'm not seeing this as vegan nut-ism (of course my opinion on vegans is biased...) but just a plain old case of some people not being suited for the human race.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I know that some mothers have difficulty with breastfeeding. And I mean physical difficulty, not emotional difficulty. But if they refused to breast feed that poor child because they thought that it somehow offended their vegan convictions then they are just plain stupid. I'm talking about heavy duty stupidity too, not run of the mill stupidity. The kind of stupidity that leads to parents watching their infant starve to death when it would be simple for them to raise a well nourished, healthy child.
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I'm assuming that the mother was unable to breast feed for some reason then refused, for reasons of dogma, to feed baby milk supplement because it contains animal products. Surely no-one would refuse to breast feed... surely...

Anthropoveganism, now there's a thought, I mean, people are animals too.

Yuri
 
I'll admit to being a vegetarian for about 11 years, about 2 of them were spent as a vegan. That qualifies me to speak as an "animal rights nutjob" when saying these people are obviously sick in the head. For the record, I'm just a vegetarian for personal ethical reasons, I'm not one of those get-up-in-your-face/throw-paint-at-old-ladies nutjobs.

Frankly, I don't care what your convictions are, your first responsibility as a parent is to make sure your infant is safe and healthy. I'm against armed robbery, but if my *infant needs medicine or he/she will die, and I absolutely have no way to get it, I'm going to steal it. How you can make the central theme of your life being "cruelty free" and letting your baby waste away to nothing is beyond me.


*This infant is hypothetical, as far as I know.
 
I've now read the linked article, and I have to say I have problems with it, too.

...but babies are built from protein, calcium, cholesterol and fish oil.
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Uh... fish oil? I can say with utmost certainty that my babies had NO fish oil in their diet, as they were nurslings until nearly 6 months of age. And there are plenty of babies who are lactose-intolerant, and can only have soy-based formula, so the problem isn't likely to be that aspect of it.
 
How do vegan Indians feed thier babies when breast milk isn't an option?

Also, How can they let an infant go 1 week without gaining weight and not be concerned?
 
It's perfectly legal for religious people to kill their children this way; was is veganism any different?
 
kbm99 said:
Why are you of the impression that vegan parents don't breastfeed?
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I'm not. I'm asking about a culture that has a long history of veganism. How do they handle situations where the mother can't breast feed. There are instances (see above comments) where a mother is physically unable to breast feed.

What is done in these situations? Do they use wetnurses or are there supplements that is considered appropriate?
 
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