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Steven Jones jumps the sinking ship

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This deserves more attention.

Oystein said:
Jones already found the time to spew nonsense at 911blogger:

ProfJones said:
For further discussion on nano-thermite,

please see my Blog from May 2011:

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-05-...-conventional-explosives-used-wtc-destruction

My best wishes to the 9/11 truth community. FYI, my main research focus at this time remains on seeking alternative energy sources for the benefit of mankind. See (for example):

http://www.physics.byu.edu/TalkList.aspx?talkID=247
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Ah - Jones tells us pre-emptively he won't put much time in defending his old nonsense cuz he's busy inventing new nonsense.
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First "Jesus in South America".

Then "cold fusion".

Then 9/11 "Truth".

Now "perpetual motion machines".

What will be next?
 
Orphia does make a good point, this does deserve more attention. It will be interesting if Jones contributes to the rebuttal being prepared:

chrismohr said:
I just got an email that Harrit, Jones and others are preparing a respectful response to Millette's study.
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cjnewson88 said:
Orphia does make a good point, this does deserve more attention. It will be interesting if Jones contributes to the rebuttal being prepared:
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Sweet! I cannot wait! You think they'll try to put out a peer-reviewed response?
 
Yah, well in May 2011 he was all over the energy blogs because he had a modified 'Joule Thief' circuit (very cute name) which he claimed was outputing 8x or 20x overunity.

There's a couple of youtube videos where he's interviewed by Sterling D. Allan. He mentions that the real test of a true self-sustaining power source is when its output can be fed into the input.

That was months ago, and now we've heard nothing more. I assume they discovered that it didn't work and are avoiding any coverage of this failure.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but if this is the case, it would be similar to the situation that Harrit, Jones et al. seem to be in regarding their research. Far from trumpeting any new discoveries as you might expect, they've become rather taciturn.

Makes ya wonder, don't it? ;)
 
alienentity said:
Yah, well in May 2011 he was all over the energy blogs because he had a modified 'Joule Thief' circuit (very cute name) which he claimed was outputing 8x or 20x overunity.
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That actually is a pretty neat name, I can't deny it.
 
Orphia Nay said:
This deserves more attention.




First "Jesus in South America".

Then "cold fusion".
Then 9/11 "Truth".

Now "perpetual motion machines".

What will be next?
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I think it is unfair to associate him with 'cold fusion' in a negative way
 
cjnewson88 said:
It will be interesting if Jones contributes to the rebuttal being prepared
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HAHAHA gotta love it

chrismohr said:
I'm told that a response may be coming soon from Niels Harrit. I just found out that Steven Jones has indicated he will wait until the final published article is out.
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Sound to be Jones jumped the ship so long ago he's already found dry land and a Margarita
 
cjnewson88 said:
Orphia does make a good point, this does deserve more attention. It will be interesting if Jones contributes to the rebuttal being prepared:
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I anticipate that they will now produce the samples that they have requested from the Mythbusters crew or submit those that Ryan has had in his pocket.

Anyone in NYC seen a couple of muppets taking scrapings from a windowledge or bridge recently?

Gotta love em. lol.
 
sheeplesnshills said:
Why, he seemed to have stuck with it way past when others realized it was an illusion. Actually it seem to have been the start of a trend with him.
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Really? - He is the one that deconstructed the whole thing in the same issue of Nature as Fleischmann–Pons paper. Jones peer reviewed their work because he was working on a cold fusion process that worked, although out side theoretical interest was completely useless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

Steven Jones' standing as an academic is in tatters, and deservedly so. But in his day he did do some excellent work.
 
MG1962 said:
Really? - He is the one that deconstructed the whole thing in the same issue of Nature as Fleischmann–Pons paper. Jones peer reviewed their work because he was working on a cold fusion process that worked, although out side theoretical interest was completely useless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion

Steven Jones' standing as an academic is in tatters, and deservedly so. But in his day he did do some excellent work.
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I've been thinking about this aspect of his personality and actions. I believe he is competent and a good scientist in certain areas; being a researcher, he is prone to indulging ideas without perhaps being too critical (pure research?).

An ability to persist in the face of long odds is probably helpful in research science, but outside the direct areas of his physics expertise his judgement seems terrible - and such persistence unhelpful. I was surprised that he could be so skeptical about the ability of HAARP to cause earthquakes, for example, during an interview on Guns and Butter last year. Yet he seems to have bought into all sorts of poorly supported ideas when it comes to 9/11 Truth conspiracy myths.
 
alienentity said:
I've been thinking about this aspect of his personality and actions. I believe he is competent and a good scientist in certain areas; being a researcher, he is prone to indulging ideas without perhaps being too critical (pure research?).

An ability to persist in the face of long odds is probably helpful in research science, but outside the direct areas of his physics expertise his judgement seems terrible - and such persistence unhelpful. I was surprised that he could be so skeptical about the ability of HAARP to cause earthquakes, for example, during an interview on Guns and Butter last year. Yet he seems to have bought into all sorts of poorly supported ideas when it comes to 9/11 Truth conspiracy myths.
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I would totally agree with you - He reminds me of Fred Hoyle - and absolute certifiable genius in his field - Who strayed into other areas and ended up looking like a complete idiot
 
alienentity said:
I've been thinking about this aspect of his personality and actions. I believe he is competent and a good scientist in certain areas; being a researcher, he is prone to indulging ideas without perhaps being too critical (pure research?).

An ability to persist in the face of long odds is probably helpful in research science, but outside the direct areas of his physics expertise his judgement seems terrible - and such persistence unhelpful. I was surprised that he could be so skeptical about the ability of HAARP to cause earthquakes, for example, during an interview on Guns and Butter last year. Yet he seems to have bought into all sorts of poorly supported ideas when it comes to 9/11 Truth conspiracy myths.
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I often wonder why he has sat on the thermite fence for so long. Is it simply an unwillingness to admit when one's wrong? Think back to his first presentations on the collapses and the images he used which lead him to believe thermite was the culprit. We all know the images, the one of the steel column with a clean cut through it and the one of the rescue workers surrounding a light source. The latter, an obviously altered still from the naudet documentary, yet when presented with this fact, he refused to acknowledge his error.

Now, he's been presented with a counter paper on the WTC dust, one that truthers have been asking for, for 3+ years. I've heard countless times, "when will the debunkers produce a study discreditting it?" For the last 3 years we've said it doesn't warrant a counter study due to the fact they proved themselves wrong with their data despite what their conclusions were. Conclusions that were predicated solely on a predetermined set of beliefs regarding their "samples". I'm rather certain he knew it wasn't thermite, so did Harrit, yet they were so invested at that point there was no alternative conclusion they could put forth. These men just can not admit they were wrong. They've gone down a path they cannot return from so now they must hold the line. Their response will be not be surprising to any of us sadly.
 
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Oz1976 said:
Their response will be not be surprising to any of us sadly.
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Would be surprising to me if their response was "Ok gigs up, yep, we bull****ted, so what, move on" ...

Followed by an Alex Jones rant that they were CIA agents the entire time and that he knew it (similar to Charlie Veitch)..
 
cjnewson88 said:
Would be surprising to me if their response was "Ok gigs up, yep, we bull****ted, so what, move on" ...

Followed by an Alex Jones rant that they were CIA agents the entire time and that he knew it (similar to Charlie Veitch)..
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Granted, that would be surprising, but it's also more than likely wishful thinking.
 
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