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Stephen Jones has Gone off the Deep End

Arus808

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Arus808
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seriously, the new article about confirming the existence of thermite:

http://stopthelie.com/the_evidence_is_in.html

Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray spectrometry evidence from samples taken at the WTC site. They dramatically show a PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting through steel) found in the WTC debris. (And no, thermate was NOT used during the clean up operation...this stuff was in the building, and ignited, prior to collapse.) If you're new to this information, you might want to check out "Molten Metal" and "Fire Initiated Collapse - Primary Arguments Against"
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Steve has Thermite.... but we have Kryptonite!!

Kryptonite is no longer just the stuff of fiction feared by caped superheroes.

A new mineral matching its unique chemistry - as described in the film Superman Returns - has been identified in a mine in Serbia.

According to movie and comic-book storylines, kryptonite is supposed to sap Superman's powers whenever he is exposed to its large green crystals.

The real mineral is white and harmless, says Dr Chris Stanley, a mineralogist at London's Natural History Museum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6584229.stm
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Well though it's not possible to read the element's noted on the plot, I could spot several differences just by what he showed, in fact I'd have got them around the wrong way becayse the Thermate signature has several peaks that don't appear in the WTC dust spectrum. Sulphur, Copper, Iron and Aluminuim are all very common elements in the WTC and Managnese is used in structural steel as a hardening element.
 
Gravy said:
Again? I don't remember him climbing out of the pool.
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the video in question:



lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.
 
Jones has proven beyond doubt that the WTC contained iron, aluminum, and sulphur. I am shocked!
 
Arus808 said:
the video in question:



lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.
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i think the fact that he lists ingredients speak for itself

he shouldnt be looking for ingredients, but the products, unless his goal is to show thermate was in the towers, but wasnt ignited because they collapsed on their own
 
Arus808 said:
the video in question:



lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.
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Indeed. I watched the previous video to see if he said what sample his thermate spectrum comes from, but he didn't. Where's the barium, Steve?
 
So, why is this guy still a professor when he leaves out this vital 30%? I thought thermate burnt all over the place, not just like a "knife through butter" as he charmingly claims?
 
Didn't know you could go deeper than bottomless. Well played Dr. Jones.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
So, why is this guy still a professor when he leaves out this vital 30%? I thought thermate burnt all over the place, not just like a "knife through butter" as he charmingly claims?
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Even if you are a jackass you get to keep the title. Me for instance.:D
 
I've already reviewed Jones's work on X-Ray spectrometry. It's crap. Like many people with only a cursory knowledge of microanalysis, it is easy to misinterpret the data.

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I did some quick work with NIST's DTSA and simulated the spectra for iron and fluorine. If Jones is producing an X-ray image of fluorine in a substance that has a substantial iron signature (like, oh, structural steel), then fully 80% of the counts associated with fluorine will actually be iron. If Jones intends to prove the presence of fluorine, he first has to account for the peak overlap with iron.
 
Sulfur is found in volcanoes and in thermite. Therefore, a thermite volcano erupted under the towers, hence the pools of molten metal. My science is flawless. Just like Jones's:p
 
Undesired Walrus said:
So, why is this guy still a professor when he leaves out this vital 30%? I thought thermate burnt all over the place, not just like a "knife through butter" as he charmingly claims?
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A professor who can't find a job in a respected college is like finding traces of thermite without Barium.
 
Arus808 said:
seriously, the new article about confirming the existence of thermite:

http://stopthelie.com/the_evidence_is_in.html
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Somebody want to explain how finding the constituents of thermite (which were present anyway) via spectroscopic analysis provs that a compuond containing barium was used when there was no trace of barium found spectroscopically. Think he should leave spectroscopy for chemical signatures to trained individuals (chemists and not cult leader wannabes).
 
Quad4_72 said:
Sulfur is found in volcanoes and in thermite. Therefore, a thermite volcano erupted under the towers, hence the pools of molten metal. My science is flawless. Just like Jones's:p
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Concerning the molten metal.....did any of the woo ever stop to think (maybe that is the problem, they forgot to restart their brains) what amout by weight of thermite would be required to account for the pools and rivers of molten metal? 1 kg molten metal takes 2 kg of thermite. Pardon me for not doing calculations here but it doesn't take a rocket scientist (R. Mackey excluded) to figure out the required weight would be nothing less than phenomenal. There was an estimate that if thermite produced the flow coming out of the window, it would have required about 16 tons of thermite. Anybody want to do a calculation to approximate the volume of the total thermite required to account for all the molten metal at GZ.
 
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