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Steorn's actions make business sense

Mudd

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The Irish technology company, Steorn, has made the claim that it has achieved over-unity; the ability to get more energy out of a device than is put in - a clear violation of the laws of physics as they are currently understood.

In spite of making this claim, inviting scientists from around the world to prove Steorn wrong through testing of their technology, and setting up a forum for the discussion of said technology, the company has yet to show the world a working device.

Some have criticized these actions and questioned the logic behind not showing the world a working over-unity device yet.

To me, the logic is simple.

Let's say that you, the reader, develop a start-stop purely-mechanical device that produces over-unity. It's unlikely, but just for the sake of argument, let's assume you do.

One can patent technology, but not the scientific principles underlying it.

If you patent your start-stop device and start selling it, you'll make money until someone develops a continuous-motion device based on the aforementioned scientific principles.

At that point, you'll make no money at all, because the continuous-motion version is more desirable and marketable.

The developer of the continuous-motion device will make money until someone develops a solid-state device, at which point the continuous-motion device will be as worthless as the start-stop one.

You could go ahead and market the start-stop version and hope that you're lucky enough to develop the continuous-motion and solid-state devices before anyone else, but that would be risky.

Your best bet would be to not reveal your technology until you developed the solid-state device yourself.

Let's speculate and assume that Steorn developed a start-stop over-unity device and wanted to develop the solid-state version, but was unable to work it out.

The thing to do would be to hire scientists to figure out the underlying principles so as to facilitate the development of more advanced versions of the technology.

But, maybe what Steorn claimed was true; getting scientists to work with them was harder than they originally thought... hence, the placement of the advertisement in the Economist last August for scientists to figure out the principles behind their admittedly-accidental discovery.

The ad generated enough interest to form a "Jury" of scientists to study the technology under non-disclosure agreements.

Some have questioned why the Jury results have been taking so long to be made public.

Speculating again, maybe Steorn needed time to work the kinks out of the continuous-motion and solid-state versions of the technology using the input from the Jury.

Thus, Steorn's actions are consistent with their claim of an accidental discovery of ground-breaking technology and difficulty interesting the scientific world in the discovery. And, the company is showing good business acumen.

It's be stupid to let the cat out of the bag and end up famous, yet poor.
 
Or, they thought that maybe, just possibly, they had such a device, but it turned out they'd missed something.

Or, they're con artists talking cobblers and have no such device.
 
I remember Randi talking about that darn friction thing which always gets in the way. If we could only get rid of it...but that shouldn't be too difficult should it?

Regards,
Yair
 
Supposing all these speculations in respect of successive technology generations to be true, it seems to me that it would be far safer, from the point of view of protecting intellectual property rights, to keep such a development under the tightest possible wraps until the non plus ultra hypothetical solid-state device materialises.

But perhaps I'm missing something.

'Luthon64
 
Let's say that you, the reader, develop a start-stop purely-mechanical device that produces over-unity. It's unlikely, but just for the sake of argument, let's assume you do.

It's not just unlikely, it's unpossible! :eek:
 
Call me old mr suspicious but am I the only one who finds it odd that someone's very first - and so far only - post is intended to persuade us that Steorn might actually have something?
 
Call me old mr suspicious but am I the only one who finds it odd that someone's very first - and so far only - post is intended to persuade us that Steorn might actually have something?

I don't find it that odd, I've seen lots of 'first time posters' doing the same on varied subjects.
What I do find odd is the inescapable conclusion that they can't have read much of the forum before posting. Otherwise they'd have seen their sloppy nonsense filleted time after time:)
 
I don't find it that odd, I've seen lots of 'first time posters' doing the same on varied subjects.
What I do find odd is the inescapable conclusion that they can't have read much of the forum before posting.


Classic example here.
 
...It's be stupid to let the cat out of the bag and end up famous, yet poor.

If I invented an over-unity device, it would change everything. Everything. How often do you here that expression, "This changes everything"? Well, this would be one case where it would literally be true.

Think of it -- no more reliance on fossil fuels, with all the vast environmental, political, and economic benefits that would entail. Suddenly we'd be awash in wealth we could spend on matters of social and humanitarian import. We could potentially reverse global warming, and ensure abundant energy for everyone, everywhere, regardless of location or economic class. And that's just the tip of the iceberg (and never mind completely setting physics as we know it on its head).

Famous? Hell, I'd be legendary, a scientist nonpareil, whose only peers would be the likes of Newton and Einstein. Nobel prize, magazine covers, book deals, bio-pics. And that's just for starters. Then there's my moral obligation to humanity to ensure such a epoch-making, paradigm-shifting technology gets deveoped to its fullest potential and distributed to the world as quickly as humanly possible.

In the face of all that, do you think I'd fumble around in an effort to gain something as utterly trivial and irrelevant as money??
 
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Suddenly we'd be awash in wealth we could spend on matters of social and humanitarian import. We could potentially reverse global warming, and ensure abundant energy for everyone, everywhere, regardless of location or economic class.
Yes, you could even silence your critics.

At a stroke, forever!

'Luthon64
 
........you'll never again be cut off half-way through that riveting cell-phone conversation! ;)
 
I remember Randi talking about that darn friction thing which always gets in the way. If we could only get rid of it...but that shouldn't be too difficult should it?

That'd be the first hurdle. Even floating using permanent magnets there's still that whole air thing. Of course one could create a vacuum in which to operate said device, but then there's the whole wasted energy of creating the vacuum itself. Friction sucks!
 
To answer mudd, which is probably one of those believer from Steorn's forum trying to convince skeptic of the third coming (Tesla and tom bearden being the first and second coming), ehre is what make business sense :
Business process 1 : put everything under secret wrap, until you have a ready made demo which can convince anybody, including the people you are trying to licence the tech. Have already the patent made when you go sell the licence. Do not pipe a word, do not make a forum
Business process 2 : Just as above for (1) have anything ready in secret then try to woo the public and scientist, make a public forum , show the machine and how to reproduce it as to independantly scientist, make it a public open process. Make open demo. Be open 100%.

Steorn make no sense because they kind of go half-half. 3 years long they stay under secrety, then suddenly they advert in the economist, but offer nothing nearly 1 YEAR LONG to the public, still open forum and give a lot of CONTRADICTORY statement (550 bhp fiasco, or the "we will give you flash film with scientific data" which ended with NOTHING MORE than a few friction data points) then they want to make a public demo but shroud it in secrety. Duh.

Now I am waiting patiently for the london demo, but I ain't holding my breath.
 
That'd be the first hurdle. Even floating using permanent magnets there's still that whole air thing. Of course one could create a vacuum in which to operate said device, but then there's the whole wasted energy of creating the vacuum itself. Friction sucks!
Not to mention sizeable losses from induced eddy currents in the materials as they move through the magnetic field, resulting in waste heat. Supercooling could help but then you'd need an appropriate cooling plant. Entropy sucks, too!

'Luthon64
 
What do you suspect?

Anyway, my next thread is going to be on the topic of global warming; make what you will of that...
 
I had written about this once on my site.. (shameless promotion) http://depletedcranium.com/?p=19

My take is that it's a dumb thing, they don't need it "verified." it's simple. Just bring out a black box that produces lots of energy and does so for longer than any conventional battery or other compact energy source and you're half way to proving you have it (or an RTG you stole from nasa)

I tend to think it's probably a publicity stunt for something like a red-bull type energy drink or something else stupid like that.
 
What do you suspect?

Anyway, my next thread is going to be on the topic of global warming; make what you will of that...

Well, if Steorn really have made an over-unity device, they'd better find a way to destroy all that excess energy they're creating. Otherwise, the world will just get hotter and hotter.
 
Announcement today!

By the way, Steorn plans to license this technology over the internet for "a very small fee." Therefore, protecting their profit potential is apparently not the reason for their recent actions.
 

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