[Split]3D Hearing - split from: Pear Cable CEO Calls James Randi's $1 Million Offer a

Dan O.

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Would my ability to hear in 3 dimensions without moving my head qualify for the MDC? I don't believe my hearing is extraordinary. Maybe because I've always had this ability I just assumed it was natural and that everybody had it. But I do recall when I was very young and taking a hearing test at the university...

 
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Would my ability to hear in 3 dimensions without moving my head qualify for the MDC? I don't believe my hearing is extraordinary. Maybe because I've always had this ability I just assumed it was natural and that everybody had it. But I do recall when I was very young and taking a hearing test at the university...
Without hearing the change in tonality by moving your head and using the outer ear as that type of filter, you would not have much up and down, front to back hearing. Your head does not have to move much for the 3D effect to happen. I have never seen anyone when trying to find a source not move.

Paul

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we are not at all good at determining up down locations of sounds. We get our distance cues from the effects that distance and surrounding environments have on the sound source as well.

Without the ability to see the environment or the ability to move around, locating sounds is pretty difficult
 
Paul, If Randi and JREF were as skeptical as you, the $million would have already flown away on pigs wings.

You have already shown you don't regard 3-D hearing as real. Can you honestly not tell the difference between sounds in front or behind you without turning your head?

MP3s are good enough for my ears. but I know audiophiles that claim to hear a big difference (and not all of them are waco nut cases). Are you going to make the claim that nobody can hear the difference between an MP3 encoded at 16kb/s and CD audio? What bit rate is required before the encoding becomes transparent?

And now you are scoffing at the idea that the ear can be trained to hear recorded 3-D sound. Have you tried putting on someone else's strong prescription glasses and walked around? Do yo recall how disorienting that was? But the person that wears those glasses regularly has learned to adapt and is no longer disoriented by the altered visual field. With casual stereo listening, you are moving around, moving your head and hearing sounds coming from 2 boxes. You are also changing material and so changing recording techniques every few minutes. If you did the same with prescription eye glasses you would never get used to any of them and would always be stumbling into walls.

Real world sound are just 2 point sources when they enter our inner ears yet we are able to interpret this in full 3-D right-left, front-back, up-down and even depth with room acoustics. Recorded stereo sound can carry the same information but will be encoded differently. Why can't we train our ears to interpret recorded stereo the same way we train our eyes to interpret distortions caused by glasses?
 
You have already shown you don't regard 3-D hearing as real. Can you honestly not tell the difference between sounds in front or behind you without turning your head?
Once again, without moving your head location sucks when it comes to back to front and up and down. You don't know how much your head moves it seems, the movement does not have to be in feet. If what you said was true then headphone would be all that is needed for 3D, no back channel speakers would be needed. Also what changes in sound for you will not be the same for me, no two outer ears, Pinna, have the same shape, this is what is used to determine location when it comes to up and down and front to back. So changing the tonality of a human voice for location that sounds like it is up for you will not necessarily work for me. Also visual clues are used, if I am looking straight ahead and see no one and hear a voice, gee, I guess they are behind me. You would be very surprise to learn it seems, that in a perfectly dark room how much the direction of sound can fool you.

Second, I did not say that MP3 where perfect, I said that they do well for all the information that is lost in making them. The only way to reduce a wav file before was to drop the sampling rate and the bit rate. This sucks, and is very very easy to hear in music, MP3 reduce from 5 to many times more and still sound a hell of a lot better then dropping the sampling rate and bit rate.

Paul

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Paul, would you put the MDC on the line for someone to show they could accurately detect up-down, front-back location for natural sounds without visual clues or moving their head?
 
No, I told you how it works, you don't believe, oh well.

Paul

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Next you tell me vinyl is better an CD.
 

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