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Soy is bad.. need help debunking or confirming

IllegalArgument

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I know this is bad form, but one of the articles was written by Joseph Mercola.

The same Mercola that claims that autism is really caused by pasteurized milk.

Therefore, I believe (even without reading it) that the Joseph Mercola article is likely a pile of b.s.
 
I looked around that site, before I posted, it's a load of junk. Both sites are dubious at best. I was hoping someone had heard of the "study" done and had more information on it.
 
The only danger I know of from soy is that it is somewhat high in estrogens. But you have to eat a whole lot before you start growing boobs.
 
If I eat large quantities of soya, I get the most terrible flatulence. I've never really thought of that as a bad effect, though; more of a bonus, really.

Cheers,
Rat.
 
Soy is fine if you don't base your entire diet on it. You don't need to go above 3 servings a day.

Mercola is an idiot, hands down. Nuff said.

The other person authoring about "bad soy" is found here:
http://www.thewholesoystory.com/index.php

Anybody read the book? I suspect that if one bases their diet on soy you will have a host of problems. Parents giving children soy milk and little else, not even the proper soy baby formulas, have killed babies.

A little soy with a balanced diet is fine. Trying to use soy for curing what ails you is what will land you in trouble, just like using any unproven remedy.

You can explore the rest of the site if you want to judge for yourself if Kaayla T. Daniel is a credible source of information. I'ver perused her site, and am not going to give her the benefit of the doubt...I find some claims she makes might be a little hard to live up to.

I did a google on soy studies, and found that I would just regard it as any other food.
 
Many years ago, two friends and I carried out an experiment. We mixed textured soy protein with shredded cardboard from the box it came in and tasted it, blindfolded, in three ways.

1. Raw, straight from the box.
2. Mixed with boiling water and mushed up.
3. As in 2., but with mashed potato powder and Bovril(TM)* to provide flavour and body.

*(This was REAL Bovril, before they took the beef out and turned it into monoclonal Marmite.)

All three participants could distinguish the wrapping from the soy in case 1, though one person preferred the cardboard.

All three could tell the difference in 2. The cardboard was pretty slimy when boiled.

Now here's the scary bit.

ALL THREE OF US got 3. wrong. We uniformly preferred the cardboard.

Now, I admit, we were all male (estrogen resistance perhaps?) none was (or is) a gourmet (the original argument was about beef jerky as I recall)- and drink had been taken. But not enough to dull the tastebuds. We all went for a curry afterwards. Lamb Bhuna.

I'm not sure what this tells us about soy protein, except that it is perhaps better not mixed with Guinness, but it is independent research.
 
For the dairy intolerant, soy is wonderful. Let's you have cereal for breakfast. But in the same way you wouldn't make milk the basis of your entire diet, you don't make soy the basis of your entire diet.

I've heard - nothing to back this one up - that some folks who are allergic to peanuts and the like can also be allergic to soy.

Hey, its food. Don't use it without a license.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
Soy is fine if you don't base your entire diet on it. You don't need to go above 3 servings a day.

Mercola is an idiot, hands down. Nuff said.

The other person authoring about "bad soy" is found here:
http://www.thewholesoystory.com/index.php

Anybody read the book? I suspect that if one bases their diet on soy you will have a host of problems. Parents giving children soy milk and little else, not even the proper soy baby formulas, have killed babies.

A little soy with a balanced diet is fine. Trying to use soy for curing what ails you is what will land you in trouble, just like using any unproven remedy.

You can explore the rest of the site if you want to judge for yourself if Kaayla T. Daniel is a credible source of information. I'ver perused her site, and am not going to give her the benefit of the doubt...I find some claims she makes might be a little hard to live up to.

I did a google on soy studies, and found that I would just regard it as any other food.
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Thanks EOS. I'll pass this and the other comments along.
 
I also heard somewhere that soy can be bad for people with thyroid conditions.

Just for the record, you actually CAN make good food from tofu, you just have to be a little creative.
 
Perhaps this is off base but there was a problem a few years back where some environmental groups were concerned soy farms in Brazil are replacing rain forest. I wasn't sure so looked into it and there was some merit to the claim both that it was occurring and that some environmental groups had voiced concern. The articles I dug up were from 2002 IIRC and I couldn't find anything more recent at the time I investigated it.
 
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