Southern Baptists convince gays 2 shift 2 heterosexuality???

Well, if it makes them happy then more power to them. But if god made them gay then why would they want to try to change god's work?

Oh, thats right god isn't all powerful, I forgot...
 
That sort of thing is not all that new.

There have been many efforts to make homosexual people into hetrosexual people, usually by religious groups who do not like homesexual acts. Anyway, I do not know of any long-term studies on this type of thing, but what I have seen tells me that most of the time it works for the short-term, but not for the long-term.
 
http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/825/825_paulk.asp
http://www.planetout.com/pno/people/features/2000/06/exgay/splash.html


n October, one of the of the most prominent "ex-gays," John Paulk, was spotted at a gay bar in Washington, D.C. allegedly having a drink and fraternizing with other patrons. Paulk initially claimed that he was simply using the bathroom, but later admitted that claim was false. As a result, he was fired from his position as chair of Exodus International, a group claiming to help "convert" homosexual orientation to heterosexual. But he will continue to be associated with the group, which now claims that Paulk's trip to the bar was simply "a temporary escape from the responsibilities of the rest of his life." Then in January, the long-time leader of an "ex-gay" group in Britain announced that he had concluded that sexual orientation could not be changed..
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From that article:

"HOMOSEXUALS CAN find freedom from this sinful, destructive lifestyle," said Richard Land, head of the Southern Baptists' public policy arm. "They can be redeemed. They can be liberated."
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Wow, this statement is filled with so much ignorance I can barely stand it. Who made this guy god's press secretary, and who is he to say gays are really just heterosexuals in need of more Jesus in their life?

Besides the drive to convert gays, the group argues that Christian faith can solve societal ills such as divorce, domestic violence and alcoholism.
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yeah, right. No amount of prayer in the world is going to save a woman from an abusive relationship, or get nations that have been fighting for hundreds or thousands of years to stop. Ignorance in action.

President Bush addressed the meeting by videotape, calling Southern Baptists "faithful servants" and asking God to bless them.
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This is my biggest beef with Bush since he took office, is his insistence on drivng away the citizens of the world by preaching to us.

"We’ve gone all the way from 'Leave It To Beaver' to 'The Osbournes,'" said Vines, a former Southern Baptist president who is now a Jacksonville, Fla., pastor. "We are a culture of perversions."
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I wasn't around in the 50s, but did any family actually function like the Cleavers? Or are shows like that just idealistic representations of what families should be? I can't imagine a show like Leave it to Beaver actually representing the "typical" American family. The Osbournes are much closer to reality.
 
dwb...

I wasnt around in the 50's but they were more Conservative back then.

Plus Unlike the 1950's:

There is no more Morals or Respect for others in Society anymore and we as a soceity have become savages and monsters and yet many of us who turn a blind eye to this behavior and allow to happen,say it is okay.


Kids do stuff bad nowadays days and the Lazy Parents turn a blind eye.

Teachers dont teach children anythin in Public Schools except how to put a Condom on a Cucumber.


Priest commits Abuse to Children in Phoenix Arizona and the Bishop who should have turned the Pervert Priest into the cops turns a blind eye to the abuse.
 
billie

Could you tell me what would constitute a shift towards homosexuality from a Christian viewpoint?

Is merely abstaining from the homosexual act enough? Or must a person actually become heterosexual and no longer even fancy same sex people?

Thanks :)

Sou
 
I am not sure...

I am not a expert in this field,so I wouldnt really know,but I think it has to do with Spirtual Healing.

You will have to ask one of the folks doing this program cause even I am not sure how it works.


I just reported the story,I dont know how or if it works.
 
dwb said:
From that article:

Wow, this statement is filled with so much ignorance I can barely stand it. Who made this guy god's press secretary, and who is he to say gays are really just heterosexuals in need of more Jesus in their life?
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Actually, my bigger concern is on his use of the word "destructive" lifestyle. How is it destructive? Most gay people I know or have heard have always indicated how awful their life was before they accepted the fact that they were gay. How they struggled with themselves and their lives. Accepting their homosexuailty not only did not destroy their lives, it meant removing a tremendous burden, allowing them to live more happily.

This came up in a thread yesterday in another forum: It's a circular problem. The assertion is that homosexuals need Jesus's help to save them from this terrible lifestyle. However, the only reason it is considered a terrible lifestyle in the first place is because God says so.

If you think about it, it is just another of the "Christianity Protection Racket." You pay Jesus to get saved from the destruction that God hands out. How is it any different from paying Vinnie and Guido to protect your place of business from the destruction ordered by the Godfather?
 
Re: dwb...

billiefan2000 said:

Priest commits Abuse to Children in Phoenix Arizona and the Bishop who should have turned the Pervert Priest into the cops turns a blind eye to the abuse.
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And this never happened back in the 50s...

Right.
 
Re: dwb...

billiefan2000 said:
There is no more Morals or Respect for others in Society anymore and we as a society have become savages and monsters and yet many of us who turn a blind eye to this behavior and allow to happen,say it is okay.
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I don't think it's gotten quite this bad. For sure, it appears as though we are more violent, or at the very least, more disaffected by violence. I can't put my finger on one specific reason why this is so.

billiefan2000 said:
Kids do stuff bad nowadays days and the Lazy Parents turn a blind eye.
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That's bad parenting, and has nothing to do with religion or church or god.

billiefan2000 said:
Teachers don't teach children anything in Public Schools except how to put a Condom on a Cucumber.
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This is due mainly to bad education policy and follow through. Standardized tests are not the answer, yet there are more of those than ever. Teachers are tied to these tests; their curriculum is setup to prepare students for tests instead of to teach them. What's the solution? I don't know, but something is broken.

billiefan2000 said:
Priest commits Abuse to Children in Phoenix Arizona and the Bishop who should have turned the Pervert Priest into the cops turns a blind eye to the abuse.
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Yep, that's religion in action. Organized religion has been responsible for more hatred, heinous and savage acts, and deceit than any other institution in history. Why is moving away from religion a bad thing again?
 
pgwenthold said:
If you think about it, it is just another of the "Christianity Protection Racket." You pay Jesus to get saved from the destruction that God hands out. How is it any different from paying Vinnie and Guido to protect your place of business from the destruction ordered by the Godfather?
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That's easy: God loves you, Vinnie doesn't. :)

(for the humor impared, that was a joke)
 
Originally posted by billiefan2000
There is no more Morals or Respect for others in Society anymore and we as a soceity have become savages and monsters and yet many of us who turn a blind eye to this behavior and allow to happen,say it is okay.
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Why do I get the feeling that your simply regurgitating what you've heard on the Micheal Savage show?

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Kids do stuff bad nowadays days and the Lazy Parents turn a blind eye.
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Yeah, what else it new? This has happened all throughout history, nothing unique here. And even if it does happen more frequently it still beats a time like the 50's where men were allowed to abuse their wives and children.

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Teachers dont teach children anythin in Public Schools except how to put a Condom on a Cucumber.
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That's complete and utter BS/ignorance and you know it.
 
Re: dwb...

billiefan2000 said:
There is no more Morals or Respect for others in Society anymore and we as a soceity have become savages and monsters and yet many of us who turn a blind eye to this behavior and allow to happen,say it is okay.


Kids do stuff bad nowadays days and the Lazy Parents turn a blind eye.

Teachers dont teach children anythin in Public Schools except how to put a Condom on a Cucumber.
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Whooo, let us play the generalization game! Huzzah!

First of all, if there isn't any morality in society, then how can we even perceive morals and say "oh, it's OK". Do you have any examples of this occuring, without condemnation from the general public?

Do you have any example of these bad kids and their lazy parents, and how proliferative they are?

Finally, I don't know how to put condom on a cucumber, gee I wonder why. Oh! It ought to be Shrub's ignorant supression of sex education! Evidently he wants me to get the Clap, or worse. I think public education is fairing rather well. Thanks to schooling, I've learned about the First Ammendment, so I know how to legally combat theocrats like yourself.
 
Yeah, the geat morals of 1950's back when:

you could still lynch black men
beat your wife
sodomize your children

all in the name of morality.

the world is getting better not worse.
 
The irony here is that during the last half of the last century, uninformed Christians were convinced that gays and lesbians had some sort of recruiting program to pervert straight men and women into something they aren't. (I know he's overused as a source, but he just covers so many topics. Example.) Instead, it's really been those same uninfomred Christians who have had the recuriting program to pervert men and women into something they aren't.

What hipocracy. :(

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Does anyone else think that the Sodam and Gamorah story from the Bible is really a statement against rape (of the angels by the Sodamites) rather than homosexuality?
 
Does anyone else think that the Sodam and Gamorah story from the Bible is really a statement against rape (of the angels by the Sodamites) rather than homosexuality?
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The story is about hospitality. According to John Shelby Spong, it was a sort of custom in that time and place that strangers in a town could be subject to abuse and humiliation if not under the protective hospitality of a resident. When Lot takes the two men/angels into his house, the crowd gets angry because their fun is spoiled.

(Interestingly - later in the story Lot has sex with his daughters, yet the story is never quoted as being pro-incest.)

(paraphrased from part of this article.)
 
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