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Simple fluoride question

Edx

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One question about flouride that bugs me is WHY its in the water at all? Whats the reason? Im sure Im missing something but surely its not some idea that they are somehow trying to help us care for our teeth? Please tell me theres some sensible reason!
 
surely its not some idea that they are somehow trying to help us care for our teeth?
yes, thats the reason, since youve already decided to reject feel free to cite this as proof of whatever wacky conspiracy theory you like
 
It is very much the reason. I recently took my 12 yr old daughter to get braces and after seeing the overall good quality of her teeth, the Dentist asked where did we live. They are very aware of the places that do not have fluoride in the water supply. I also worked for a small water company in Pensacola, Fl that serviced about 25% of the people and we were not using fluoride as the big company was. We were presented with all the dental info that they provide to encourage using it. Ofc it usually comes down to the people voting to have it or not, but I left that company before we ever changed policy.
 
I'm pretty sure it's not a mind control plan, the fluoride in water. But I still don't like it.

Toothpaste tubes say do not swallow. The dentist gives you a cup of blue fluid, says slosh it around and spit out. Do not swallow!

Fluoride water comes out of your tap. Cook with it, wash dishes with it, shower in it, drink it. That's fine.

???
 
I'm pretty sure it's not a mind control plan, the fluoride in water. But I still don't like it.

Toothpaste tubes say do not swallow. The dentist gives you a cup of blue fluid, says slosh it around and spit out. Do not swallow!

Fluoride water comes out of your tap. Cook with it, wash dishes with it, shower in it, drink it. That's fine.

???

You put salt on your food? Try eating a couple of spoonfuls. Everything in moderation. :boggled:
 
Well, I do not know enough about it to disagree. But after working for that company, I would say that in most cities, the last thing you should worry about is the fluoride. :D There is so much rust in the older pipes, that 16 inch mains are only at half capacity. It was very common to knock off huge chunks of rust while working on/replacing pipes. There are still many asbestos pipes remaining, not that it hurts you when its wet, but they are there. Then once we finished we would toss some chlorine in to clean up our mess. It was not always the certified boss who did this and certainly it was not always measured to the correct amount. I have always used filtered water since that job(I am a general germaphobe) and while I am sure the filter does not do near as much as I am told or would hope, I still feel better doing it.
 
if you take in too much fluoride it is very bad for you.
if you take in too much oxygen it is very bad for you.
if you take in too much water it is very bad for you.
if you take in too much Vitamin C..it is very bad for you.

just because overdosing on something is bad for you..doesn't mean it does not have very positive benefits in healthy doses.

people can die if they drink too much fluoride. people can also die if they drink too much water or breath too much oxygen.

are folks going to now stop drinking water or stop breathing air?
 
if you take in too much fluoride it is very bad for you.
if you take in too much oxygen it is very bad for you.
if you take in too much water it is very bad for you.
if you take in too much Vitamin C..it is very bad for you.

Ironically, that last one is untrue, or so I've heard. Vitamin C is only harmful if you take so many pills of it that you rip your gut.

I don't like the concept of fluoride in water in general, since AFAIK they don't tell you what is a safe dose, and how much water to drink or soak in or not. I would presume they know the effects, and don't want people dying on them, and dilute it so much that it would be harmless in any amount. But then I have to wonder if it's even dentally active at that point, and if not, then why the fuss? And if you can do with that little, are they just way overloading the toothpaste so it's dangerous if swallowed?

And I'd have to look into the subtler effects of small doses before I'd be cool with it here. Like, where are they getting it from? Fluoride flowers of Finland? Mine sludge treated with sulfuric acid? I just don't get also why DENTISTS of all people are so excited to create less work for themselves.

So, just a lot of blah blah uninformed concerns I suppose, but it's a big enough list for me given that I have my super-amped dangerous toothpaste already, I don't see how a tiny fragment of the same stuff in the water I already don't drink enough of would help much. It ain't worth the risks I'm so ignorant of, IMO. The voters here seem to agree, for good or ill.
 
I just don't get also why DENTISTS of all people are so excited to create less work for themselves.

Ah, yes. I remember my first trip to the dentist-man. Why, it must have been nine-score metric yearlings ago now (a measurement that made more sense back then, when everyone was young because old people had been banned). After what seemed like an eternity, but was later revealed to just have been a rather long time, sitting uncomfortably on a large Tongan man in the waiting room, the Toothmeister - that's what he made us call him, you see - finally announced my name.

I was led through a cavernous pipeline lined with rusting wooden floorboards until we came upon an dark, abandoned theatre. A profile from the rafters lit up the only object on the stage: The chair.

The chair was twisted trainwreck of metal gears and levers, the machinery not quite hidden under the poorly stitched rabbit-hide furnishings. I sat uncomfortably and waited for the examination to begin.

Clunk!

As if by some arcane magic the chair flew to life and threw me upon my back, the metal teeth grinding beneath me at the behest of my captor and interrogator.

"Do you eat candy?"

The question, though not entirely unexpected, was delivered with such force as to throw me off guard. "Wha--huh?" I stammered.

"Do. You. Eat. Candy? Answer me, child!"

"Uh...yes sir. Occasionally, sir," I lied, "and I always brush my teeth after, honest!"

"You occasionally eat candy, do you? Well, we'll have to change that!"

"No sir!" I cried, "Not the candy! Please don't stop me from eating candy, it is ever such a delectable treat! Oh, I'll do anything, just let me eat my candy..."

The Toothmeister cackled, "Foolish child! You must not stop eating candy. You must eat MORE candy! Candy for breakfast; candy for lunch; candy for dinner! And forget about brushing your teeth - such wasteful behaviour, I'll not tolerate it! From now on you will clean your teeth by gargling soda, and soda only."

"Honest truth, sir? I can eat candy and gargle soda and nothing bad will happen to my teeth?"

"Of course not," the Toothmeister replied, "follow my rules and your teeth will be healthy to the day you die! Why ever would I lie to such a charming boy as yourself?"

I certainly couldn't think of a reason, and he was such a kind man that I bade him well and set off on my way with a gracious, "Thankyou sir!"

"No trouble, my child!" he hollered after me, "Dont forget to make an appointment with my secretary on the way out...say, for the twentieth anniversary of your birth? And bring a chequebook - I have a big surprise for you!"

And on my way I went, following a convenient trail of barley sugars back to the entrance while the maniacal laughter of the Toothmeister faded off behind me.
 
yes, thats the reason, since youve already decided to reject feel free to cite this as proof of whatever wacky conspiracy theory you like

:jaw-dropp Not citing a conspiracy theory actually, I always found the claims nonsence but this is the one part that rings true. Honestly if that really is the only reason I find this absolutely insane!

The fact is I have never once heard a dentist or any dentists say that I should drink more tap water in order to care better for my teeth, which you would expect if it really did help. You know what they actually tell me to do? They tell me how to brush my teeth better. But what does toothpaste contain? Fluoride. However you arent meant to injest it and what got me thinking about this again the other day is, I looked at the packed and it even says DO NOT SWALLOW or something to that effect. In the past i did watch a really wacky CT film that isnt even worth mentioning the name of, but what did ring true is when they said why dont they add vitamins in our drinking water, those things that are actually proven to be beneficial to us? And as someone pointed out there are many vitamins where it is almost practically impossible to overdose as you "pee" it out as my chemist told me after I was enquired if it was going to be harmfull taking a Vitamin B suppliment along with my general Vitamin pill. I am taking one now where in several different areas is giving me in one case over 3,000% more than the RDA and in a few other cases over 2,000%! If I want to help my teeth I will get a good tooth brush, toothpaste and a good mouthwash. The idea that the drinking tap water makes any practical difference is absurd.

Seriously the idea that fluoride is there to help our teeth is the craziest thing Ive heard in a long time.
 
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I would say that in most cities, the last thing you should worry about is the fluoride. :D There is so much rust in the older pipes, that 16 inch mains are only at half capacity. It was very common to knock off huge chunks of rust while working on/replacing pipes. There are still many asbestos pipes remaining, not that it hurts you when its wet, but they are there.t.

Bloody hell, i live in the UK but that is pretty worrying... almost makes me want to get a filter! haha
 
I'm pretty sure it's not a mind control plan, the fluoride in water. But I still don't like it.

Toothpaste tubes say do not swallow. The dentist gives you a cup of blue fluid, says slosh it around and spit out. Do not swallow!

Fluoride water comes out of your tap. Cook with it, wash dishes with it, shower in it, drink it. That's fine.

???
Toothpaste and dentist (professional concentrations) solution have things in them for legitimate reasons that are not all that good for your tummy. Swallowing Listerine is the same thing - you can do it, but it is not a great idea. Remember, material in only your mouth is not likely to get into your bloodstream (the fluoride solution is for topical application to treat the tooth surfaces not to deliver low level bacteria killing/tooth strengthening assistance) I suggest actual research on the concentrations of fluoride in the two.
Even check on the levels that are considered a problem COMPARED to the levels in normal fluoridated water - some of those levels (the too high ones)are found in UNTREATED water supplies.
 
my brother-in-law was pissed the first year he moved to Hawaii, and had his regular check up. He grew up in JAX, FL where the water is flouridated. Never had a cavity in his life, and had healthy teeth.

Moved to hawaii, and in the first year, he developed 3 cavities, despite brushing and flossing his teeth normally.
 
saw this in another thread. Feelin' vindicated at the moment.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79326.php

I guess this isn't a CT thread, but all the CT-provoked defensive pro-fluoride anecdotal 'common-sense' responses to the OP are missing the bus.



Except that all their info seems to come from the Fluoride Action Network, which is a group that Quackwatch has put on their "not recommended" list of information sources. See Quackwatch's take on the issue here:

http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/fluoride.html
 
Hitler used it to pacify his serfs.

Let me give everyone a homework assignment. Find any scientific study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. You won't find one. That's because it works topically to prevent cavities. Ingestion of fluoride causes many harmful effects, including dental fluorosis, which thins the teeth and makes them like nails.

And that is pharmaceutical grade fluoride, not the stuff scrapped off the side of the smoke stack at a phosphate mine that we get in our water.

The bottom line is this. Mass medication is not ethical or legal in the US. Ingesting fluoride is only toxic, with no positive effects. And fluoride was used by the Nazis to pacify dissent. You figure out the rest.
 
Hitler used it to pacify his serfs.

Let me give everyone a homework assignment. Find any scientific study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. You won't find one. That's because it works topically to prevent cavities. Ingestion of fluoride causes many harmful effects, including dental fluorosis, which thins the teeth and makes them like nails.

And that is pharmaceutical grade fluoride, not the stuff scrapped off the side of the smoke stack at a phosphate mine that we get in our water.

The bottom line is this. Mass medication is not ethical or legal in the US. Ingesting fluoride is only toxic, with no positive effects. And fluoride was used by the Nazis to pacify dissent. You figure out the rest.

And visions of Sterling Hayden in "Dr Strangelove" pass by my eyes.

"We Must Protect Our Precious Bodily Fluids!".
 
Hitler used it to pacify his serfs.

Let me give everyone a homework assignment. Find any scientific study that says swallowing fluoride helps prevent cavities. You won't find one. That's because it works topically to prevent cavities. Ingestion of fluoride causes many harmful effects, including dental fluorosis, which thins the teeth and makes them like nails.

And that is pharmaceutical grade fluoride, not the stuff scrapped off the side of the smoke stack at a phosphate mine that we get in our water.

The bottom line is this. Mass medication is not ethical or legal in the US. Ingesting fluoride is only toxic, with no positive effects. And fluoride was used by the Nazis to pacify dissent. You figure out the rest.

lies...lies...and more lies.

if we have all been drinking fluoridated water...how come we voted in such high numbers this election day?
 

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