Should Homeopathy be illegal?

[Dub]

Given the results of the Horizon tests, should it now be illegal to advertise the benefits of Homeopathic cures? Would this not constitue false advertising? How can u call pure water a 'medicine.?

A quick look on a high street pharamacy shows they are still selling homeopathic 'medicines' by the bucket load.



How about some 30c Sulphur tablets! Although all the water in the world is still not enough to achieve this level of dilution, its bound to work cause someone said it once made them feel better!

From the Boots website:

Homoeopathy views the patient as a whole and treats the individual rather than just the disease. Homoeopathic remedies are ditutions of a concentrated solution and are used in the smallest quantities. They are available for a wide range of conditions from cuts and bruises to stomach upsets and colds

Yes, so small that there's not even a single molecule of the original solution left.

 

[Guest]

No for some people it works so let it stay available. Not all water just diluted to start the bodides healing process, you treat same with same that cures the whole with little side effects unlike modern medicines.

Me.

 

[Ian Osborne]

To declare homeopathy illegal would be to set a dangerous precedent that might impede legitimate research into disputed phenomena, though practitioners should certainly be expected to provide evidence for their claims, just like everyone else.

I wonder if it's worth complaining to Trading Standards about sales of homeopathic overpriced H2O?

 

[Dub]

No for some people it works so let it stay available. Not all water just diluted to start the bodides healing process, you treat same with same that cures the whole with little side effects unlike modern medicines.

Might I ask, did u see the Horizon programme? If not let me point one thing out. A dilution of 6c is the equivelnt of one drop of the original solution in about 26 swimming pools. By 10c its like 1 drop in the Atlantic. By 15c its less than one drop in all the water in the world. Anything higher than this almost certainly contains not even a single molecule of the original solution. Therefore, it's pure water. Placebos also 'work' for some people. Would you buy a lump of pure sugar off me if I make up something that it can cure for you?

 

[Dub]

To declare homeopathy illegal would be to set a dangerous precedent that might impede legitimate research into disputed phenomena, though practitioners should certainly be expected to provide evidence for their claims, just like everyone else.

I wonder if it's worth complaining to Trading Standards about sales of homeopathic overpriced H2O?

I agreee. When I said 'illegal' I meant to advertise Homeoptahy as a medicine that cures what it claims to. As there is no eveidence, infact evidence to the contrary, I dont think ppl shoud be allowed to make such claims.

 

[Trollbane]

I agree with Dub here. I think that they should be liable for false advertising... Unless they add disclaimers in the product clearly stating something like: "Warning the product you are buying at 100$/dose does not contain any medicinal properties" or something similar..

 

[Ian Osborne]

And if water can 'remember' elements it once contained and pass this memory onto water molecules next to it, during its natural evaporation-and-rainfall cycle, all the water in the world must have come into contact with every chemical and mineral on the Earth. Why not just get a beaker of tap water and call it homeopathy?

 

[Dub]

And if water can 'remember' elements it once contained and pass this memory onto water molecules next to it, during its natural evaporation-and-rainfall cycle, all the water in the world must have come into contact with every chemical and mineral on the Earth. Why not just get a beaker of tap water and call it homeopathy?

Good point. Infact rainfall may be a more concerntrated Homeopath than a 30c solution.

 

[Segnosaur]

I agree with Dub here. I think that they should be liable for false advertising... Unless they add disclaimers in the product clearly stating something like: "Warning the product you are buying at 100$/dose does not contain any medicinal properties" or something similar..

How about some addtional warnings:

- May cause increased urination
- May reduce the size of your bank account
- May cause elmination of brain cells (oops, that probably would have to have happened before using the stuff.)

 

[Ed]

No for some people it works so let it stay available. Not all water just diluted to start the bodides healing process, you treat same with same that cures the whole with little side effects unlike modern medicines.

A medieval concept with no support. The problem is that people spend money on expensive placebos and might not see a real doc if they have a real problem. Accurate labeling should happen at least.

 

[3-toed-sloth]

I don't think homeopathic drugs should be illegal. That would only feed the drug company consipiacy, but making false claims about homeopathic drugs should be illegal.

I think that homeopathic remedies should undergo clinical testing if they are going to claim that they are beneficial.

I would like to see some kind of statement about their effectiveness on every bottle of the stuff.

In three inch tall black letters, something like

"This is a placebo"

"This is pure water"

"It has been demonstrated that these remedies are no more benefical than placebos"

 

[Jon_in_london]

I agree with the false advertising thing, you shouldnt be able to make claims that are unfounded.

 

[Guest]

Might I ask, did u see the Horizon programme? If not let me point one thing out. A dilution of 6c is the equivelnt of one drop of the original solution in about 26 swimming pools. By 10c its like 1 drop in the Atlantic. By 15c its less than one drop in all the water in the world. Anything higher than this almost certainly contains not even a single molecule of the original solution. Therefore, it's pure water. Placebos also 'work' for some people. Would you buy a lump of pure sugar off me if I make up something that it can cure for you?

No I didnt, I know about homeopathy and how it does things to the body to provoke healing.
Not disputing it is diluted, the orginal ingrediant is there still even if microscopic proportions.
Yes placebos work in certain cases, that should say something at least.
when you have exhausted al modern medicines and sufferig from them, homeopathy or herbalsim fills that void, porbably find using them gives the body a chance to recover from an onslaught from modern medicines, why knock it if it helps somebody?
You cant agree that the side effects of modern medicines are the best way forward can you?
Half of all illnesses around are caused by the side effects of modern medicines, Celebrex for one should be banned for what it does to you, I am sure it is in the States?

Would I buy a sugarcube off you, for one no I hate sugar its horrid.
Would I buy an altenative medicine to help relive myself of something that I would have to look into first, I will always stick with the natural way, seeing as I know a bit about such things, I would be skeptical of any new claim without researching it first, the end of the day it is upto me to make that choice surely?


Me

 

[Guest]

I vote to ban all homeopathic remedies and anything else in the alt med line that has not proven it efficacy with controlled double blind tests supervised by the FDA or an equivalent agency in Europe or Japan.

 

[Dub]

No I didnt, I know about homeopathy and how it does things to the body to provoke healing.
Not disputing it is diluted, the orginal ingrediant is there still even if microscopic proportions.

Sorry but you are wrong. In a 30c, and probably in anything over about 20c, there is not even a single molecule of the original solution left. Scientific FACT.

when you have exhausted al modern medicines and sufferig from them, homeopathy or herbalsim fills that void, porbably find using them gives the body a chance to recover from an onslaught from modern medicines, why knock it if it helps somebody?

Modern medicine has far from been exhausted. If u think taking pure water gives the body chance to recover, why not just drink tap water?

You cant agree that the side effects of modern medicines are the best way forward can you?

If ever i get seriously ill ill go to a proper doctor for some of the most modern medicine he has.

Half of all illnesses around are caused by the side effects of modern medicines.

And your source of this data is where?

I will always stick with the natural way, seeing as I know a bit about such things, I would be skeptical of any new claim without researching it first, the end of the day it is uptp me to make that choice surely?

It would appear you know less than you think.

Ive now changed my offer to you, will you buy some pure water off me if I tell you it can cure anything you want it to?

PS Most Homepathic remedies are pure water dissolved on those sugar cubes you hate so much.

 

[Guest]

I vote to ban all homeopathic remedies and anything else in the alt med line that has not proven it efficacy with controlled double blind tests supervised by the FDA or an equivalent agency in Europe or Japan.

You going to including herbalism, colour therapy, reiki, crystal healing, aromatherapy, etc too?


me

 

[Foodbunny]

Anything being sold with claims to healing/curing people should have to undergo the same testing as any modern medicine. I don't see any compelling reason why homeopathy or herbs shouldn't be held to the same standards.

 

[orwell huxley]

No I didnt, I know about homeopathy and how it does things to the body to provoke healing.

Well, please explain to those of us who are ignorant.

Half of all illnesses around are caused by the side effects of modern medicines

Did you make this up?

 

[Guest]

Dub I didnt say I took them, please dont take me out of context, I know a bit about homeopathy, I know far more on killer plants which is my pet hobby.

me

 

[Dub]

Dub I didnt say I took them, pleasse dont take me out of context, I know a bit about homeopathy, I know far more on killer plants which is my pet hobby.

You claimed that even in the most diltuted homeopathic remedies there is still some molecules of the original solution left, which there is not. Thats pretty fundamental to knowledge of homeopathy.