zenith-nadir said:
It seems NOT ONE of you is informed about the middle east problem in the slightest.
Lets retrace some FACTS instead of throwing the words "ethnic cleansing" around and then PRETENDING like you are intelligent and actually know what the words mean.
Gladly. Shame you didn't provide any, though. This looks like another regurgitated chain letter someone sent you.
1) Since the Palestinian Authority OFFICIAL POSITION is all jews must be REMOVED from the West Bank and Gaza that is the definition of "ethnic cleansing".
No, that's not the PA's position, "official" or otherwise. They call for the removal of the illegal settlements, true; but they do not call for "all jews" to be removed. There are Jews who live in the WB and Gaza who don't live in the Jewish-only settlements.
2) While 20% of Israel's 6.6 million citizens are Arabs. Unlike their Palestinian counterparts in the West Bank and Gaza, Israelis Arabs have the right to vote, receive Israeli social services and can work inside Israel.
Yep, regurgitated spam. First of all, not even the Israelis deny that Israeli Arabs are subject to widespread discrimination, and the amount that they
can work, vote, receive social services is always being modified.
Second, considering that Israel lords over a number of Palestinians (in Israel as well as the WB and Gaza) who they
don't give the right to vote, and in fact carefully control how many non-Jews they allow to be citizens, the "democratic" nature of this is suspect.
3) The West Bank was called JUDEA & SAMARIA for 3000 YEARS until it was RENAMED "The West Bank" in 1949 by Jordan.
Half-truth. It was referred to as Judea and Samaria by the West, sure, who called it by its Biblical name. That's not how the residents of the area, predominantly Arab, referred to it.
Second, the oh-so-criminal "renaming" to the West Bank is because it's on the WEST BANK OF THE JORDAN RIVER!
4) Judea & Samaria was the ORIGINAL kingdom of the jews CENTURIES before the rise of Islam in 640 A.D. In 1003 B.C. King David established Jerusalem as Capital of United Kingdom of Israel. It remained the capital for for some 400 years.
Definitely regurgitated spam, or you wouldn't be spewing this drivel on a board full of skeptics.
1. There is some doubt whether "King David" actually existed; there is widespread consensus among archaeologists that if he did exist, he was probably just a hilltop chieftain, not a king of all the land of Israel. In all likelihood, David is simply a myth.
2. There was never any kingdom that ruled all of the WB, or all of Israel, before the Romans.
3. If you really think I have the right to kick someone off their land because my ancestors lived there, please supply your city so I may contact the appropriate Native American nation.
6)"Palestine" was the name given to the area by the ROMANS after the Philistines who were the enemy of, and defeated the United Kingdom of Israel.
(See previous comments about the non-existence of the "United Kingdom of Israel.")
"Palestine" as a name stuck for 2000 years. I have a coin from the 1940s with "Palestine" written on it in English, Hebrew/Yiddish, and Arabic. It was universally referred to as "Palestine," even by the Zionists.
7) When the Byzantine came, Jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza.
When the Caliphate conquered the land in 637 A.D. jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza.
When the Crusaders conquered the land in 1099, jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza.
When the Mamluks conquered the land in 1291, Jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza.
When the Turks conquered the land in 1516, Jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza.
When the British conquered the land in 1918, Jews lived in Judea-Samaria and Gaza.
Of course, the populations weren't so dense; the number of Jews in all of Palestine during the turn of the century numbered in the tens of thousands (compared to close to 2 million Arabs).
8) In 1920, the League of Nations made Britain the mandatory power in Palestine, effective in 1922. In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate.
Jordan comprises 76.9% of Palestine
Israel comprises 17.8% of Palestine
Judea & Samaria, (now known as the "West Bank"), and Gaza comprise 5.3% of Palestine
Completely irrelevant to the current situation.
9) Yasser Arafat is the successor to Haj Muhammad Amin al Husseini, the grand mufti of Jerusalem.
Completely untrue in any way, shape, or form. A mufti is a religious leader. Arafat is a political leader. Not a particularly effective one, IMO, but he's not an imam or mufti.
Husseini was a leader of the 1920 Arab riots where terror against Jews was INTRODUCED into Palestine.
Haj Muhammad Amin al Husseini led the Palestinians during the 1930s into their (abortive) rebellion against the British mandate government and during the 1940s into their (again abortive) attempt to prevent the emergence of the Jewish state in 1948 -- resulting in their catastrophic defeat and the creation of the Palestinian refugee problem.
Yes, there were riots against the Jews. As the Zionist immigration project, begun in the late 1800s, began to pick up steam, there were rebellions against the foreign immigrants. It's not something the Palestinians should be particularly proud of, but when you consider that the stated goal of these immigrants was to create a state by and for THEM, you start to understand where the Palestinians are coming from.
If a bunch of Mormons moved into your neighborhood with the intended goal of creating a Mormon state there, including your home, you probably wouldn't be too pleased.
10) According to documentation from the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, the German SS helped finance Husseini's efforts in the 1936-39 uprising in Palestine.
Not true at all. There was some contact, yes, but it was never very extensive and there was never any transfer of funds.
In fact, the only Jewish groups the Nazis would deal with were Zionists, because their immediate goal was the same; a Jew-free Germany.
11) Yasser Arafat and the PLO, (now the Palestinian Authority), are a TERRORIST organization with a long and well-documented terrorist history that was LEGITIMIZED by the U.N., France and Nobel Peace Prize Committee.
First: PLO != PA. The PLO's a coalition of a number of different Palestinian organizations, the PA is a toothless governing body.
Second: Many "legitimate" movements have been characterized as "terrorist." The African National Congress comes to mind.
12) Yasser Arafat and the PLO tried to take over Jordan in 71-72 and failed, Yasser Arafat and the PLO tried to take over Lebanon in 75-90 and failed, and Yasser Arafat and the PLO have been ATTACKING Israel and MURDERING jews since thier very first (FAILED) operation on an Israeli water pumping station in 1964.
This is why you should never take spam at face value; it gives you this tripe, then you believe it because you want to.
The PLO never tried to take over Lebanon or Jordan. There were some riots in the Palestinian refugee camps in those countries due to the shoddy treatment by their respective governments. There was never any coup attempt.
That is why Sharon is removing the settlements. To stop the Palestinians attacking jews, and to "disengage" from Arafat and the PLO once and for all.
Settlers have every right to live in the West Bank AND Gaza, why does 19 years of Jordanian occupation in Judea & Samaria, (1948-1967), negate 3,300 years of Jewish history?
No, settlers don't have that right. International law expressly forbids it, after Germany set up "settlements" in occupied Poland.
You don't have the right to come in and steal someone else's land, then forbid them from living in your community (the settlements are Jewish-only; Palestinians are not permitted to even use the roads that run between them). You--or more accurately, the spam you're posting--refer to 19 years of Jordan's occupation as if there were only Jews living in the WB and Gaza for the 3300 years before that. That, my friend, is a complete and total misrepresentation of the truth.
As I said, yes, there were always Jews in Palestine, but their numbers were very low (in the tens of thousands), and they lived among their Arab neighbors IN PEACE. There was never any attempt to set up "settlements" where Arabs were forbidden to travel on pain of death.
But the Palestinians WANT TO "ethnically cleanse" all jews from the West Bank and Gaza.
Yes, yes, those evil Palestinians should be wiped out, because they wage an endless war against the Ar--excuse me, the Jews, and they represent a clear danger to the Fatherl--Israel.
As Dennis Miller said;
For the sake of honesty, let's not use the word "Palestinian" any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they REALLY are:
"Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death."
Well, that clinches it.
Listen to me very carefully: YOUR INBOX IS NOT A HISTORY LESSON.
Dennis Miller never said any such thing; that email's been making the rounds a long time, it is not something Dennis Miller ever wrote or said.
From those pro-Palestinian anti-Semites at Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/miller.htm
