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Seven dead in drive by California shootings

The shooter had highly abnormal sociability because of Asperger Syndrome according to his father.
 
Nessie said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27556097

"A series of drive-by shootings in the Californian city of Santa Barbara has left seven people dead, US police say.

The shootings took place near a student campus belonging to the University of California-Santa Barbara.

The suspected gunman is among the dead. University officials and the police issued alerts calling on people in the area to stay indoors."
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This happens when bad guys have guns and good guys don't.
 
Source is BBC News which has the father's lawyer making statements and essentially naming the shooter before the American media has done that.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
The intense resentment toward women is an invention of MRAs. Because, you know. women HAVE to rub their naked bodies against any lonely man who calls himself a gentleman! It's a moral imperative!
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That's it exactly.

There's really two issues here, which combined to create that fellow's twisted logic.

The societal stereotype of sex as essential to being a "man" is what led him to believe he had a serious problem. The MRA mindset with its sense of hierarchal entitlement is what gave him a "solution" to his "problem" - Women Did It. MRA's seem to believe that having sex with men is what women are for, and view a woman not having sex with a man who wants it as a deliberate act of emasculation because they cannot conceive that men and women can interact without an ultimate sexual goal on the part of each. This guy's rage then spread from the women who specifically rejected him to all women, and according to the video even to the men that those women ended up with instead. Pretty scary stuff.
 
Forbes has the best analysis thus far, especially with regards to his Internet footprint.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmir...print-of-santa-barbara-shooter-elliot-rodger/

This is just a snippet.

On Friday night, a 22-year-old drove through a popular night spot in the college town of Santa Barbara and started shooting. Six people were killed and seven more were injured. The gunman did not survive the evening, though he lives on in digital form due to online postings and videos, including a YouTube video titled “Elliot Rodger’s Retribution” in which he explains that he is wreaking vengeance on the hot girls of Santa Barbara because women had rejected him for 8 years, since he hit puberty. He expresses anger in the chilling video that he is still a virgin despite being “the perfect guy.” “I don’t know why you girls have never been attracted to me, but I will punish you all for it,” he says, sitting behind the wheel of his BMW.

Of course, perfect guys are not the type who go mass-murderer on a college town. Rodger, who was a student at*Santa Barbara City College, had uploaded a number of videos in recent months about his loneliness and frustration over women not wanting him despite his BMW, $300 sunglasses and nice clothing. He had expressed similar sentiments on forums for bodybuilders and anti-pick-up-artists. The latter led a Daily Kos writer to blame the “men’s rights movement” for influencing Rodgers into psychopathy and murder, pointing to the fact that Rodgers had subscribed to three different YouTube channels that gave advice on how to pick up women and be an “alpha male.” “Rather than seeking mental help for some obvious issues, he sought out the Men’s Rights Movement,” writes OllieGarkey. “He internalized their hatred of women.”

This is severe oversimplification, and an overly rapid rush to judgment. Rodger’s hatred — of both men and women — seemed tied instead to narcissism, feelings of privilege and the world owing him. His mental disturbance seems as much about class as gender warfare.
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His parents had already reported his videos to police and he was in treatment for mental issues, including Asperger's.
 
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Umm, his rhetoric sounds nothing like MRA talking points.

It sounds a whole lot like pick up artist, the game, and red pill talking points though. Stuff that directly clashes with MRA ideology.
 
How's this for a compromise? Americans can own whatever or however many guns they like. Tanks, RPGs, you name it. They can carry them in school, church, kids playgrounds, hospitals, and government buildings. However, they should all be made to live together in a new state called Guntopia, and anyone else can leave and live away from them, where no guns are allowed.

Because why is it considered SOP that a guy like this was able to obtain a gun, when he had so many obvious issues?
 
Posted by Elliot Rodger:

I consider myself a sophisticated, polite gentleman, unlike most boys my age. My father is of British descent, and my mother is of Asian descent, so that makes me a Eurasian. I enjoy hiking, exercising, watching sunsets, traveling, cars, fashion, going to nice restaurants, and going to parties. I have traveled all over the world, ever since I was a child. So far, I have visited ten countries, including Great Britain, the United States, France, Spain, Greece, Germany, Mexico, Singapore, Malaysia, and Morocco.
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Hardly your typical "American."
 
One Tenth said:
Umm, his rhetoric sounds nothing like MRA talking points.

It sounds a whole lot like pick up artist, the game, and red pill talking points though. Stuff that directly clashes with MRA ideology.
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I'd be genuinely interested in an elaboration.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Agreed. Loneliness is something many, many people experience; I know it well myself but understan that it is a result of my own actions and limitations.

The intense resentment toward women is an invention of MRAs. Because, you know. women HAVE to rub their naked bodies against any lonely man who calls himself a gentleman! It's a moral imperative!
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I don't really think there's any evidence to say that his resentment was the product of MRAs.
Eliott Rodger (the murderer) posted:

Being lonely in a beautiful place like Santa Barbara is truly a horrible experience. As I've said many times, a beautiful environment can be the darkest hell if you have to experience it all alone, especially while having to watch other men walking around with their girlfriends. I wish girls were attracted to me. I don't know why they aren't.
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These feelings, combined with mental illness, were enough to push him to do this. I think he was genuinely frustrated and confused about why he couldn't get a girlfriend. I don't think he started out with the assumption that any naked woman should have been rubbing against his body.
If you look at his Internet postings on various forums (which I have, because I was familiar with this guy before he became a murderer), other posters would normally tell him that his views and atitudes were really disturbing and messed up.
 
Be careful. If you're about to insist that MRA "talking points" are confined solely to custodial rights or female-on-male domestic violence to the exclusion of hating on women that won't have sex, I suggest you take a look at what contributors to MRA forums actually spend their forum posts talking about most.
 
Well, as a short version, I'd say that PUAs use existing and traditional gender norms in order to be more successful in dating women, This ranges from mild and mostly benelovent ways such as getting in shape, dressing better, and being more confident, to outright disturbingly misgynistic ways that treat women as objects and prizes.

The Red Pill, well, basically are traditionalists as far as I can tell. They seem to think that women are spiteful children that need a firm hand guiding them in all things.

The MRA (or MRM) is probably the broadest of the three. I'd say their two main features are a dislike of traditional gender roles, and anti-feminism (how much the feminism is straw feminism can vary a fair bit).

Anyways, if you see rhetoric along the lines of "alpha male", "man up", or an obsession with being worthy to date women--yeah, that's pretty much antethetical to MRA stuff.
 
Checkmite said:
Be careful. If you're about to insist that MRA "talking points" are confined solely to custodial rights or female-on-male domestic violence to the exclusion of hating on women that won't have sex, I suggest you take a look at what contributors to MRA forums actually spend their forum posts talking about most.
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No, I don't disagree with you. But I also don't think there's much reason to assume that he wouldn't have had these feelings on his own:


“Tomorrow is the day of retribution,” the man said. “The day in which I will have my revenge against humanity.”
After detailing how “girls have never been attracted to me,” he threatened to “slaughter” members of a college sorority house – a group for female students - and then “take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there”.
In comments interspersed with sickening laughs and chuckles, he said: “I’m 22 years old and I’m still a virgin. I’ve never even kissed a girl.
College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it.”
I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one. The true alpha male.
Yes... After I have annihilated every single girl in the sorority house I will take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure.
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If he did find solace amongst MRA's (and all of the responses to posts of his I've seen of his online have included denouncements of his attitudes, not support), it seems to have been after he had already developed these frustrations, not as a formative influence. Of course there is no way to know for certain.
 
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