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Sessions Religious Liberty Task Force

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Or, in the non-doublespeak version, a task force intended to DECREASE the religious liberty of anyone who is not a white male evangelical Christian, especially the LGBTQ community.

Posting here rather than Politics because it seems more appropriate.

Linky.
About the twitter reaction.
ACLU response.

We can only pray* that it meets with the same success as Kobach's election task force.

*See what I did there?
 
Trebuchet said:
Or, in the non-doublespeak version, a task force intended to DECREASE the religious liberty of anyone who is not a white male evangelical Christian, especially the LGBTQ community.

Posting here rather than Politics because it seems more appropriate.

Linky.
About the twitter reaction.
ACLU response.

We can only pray* that it meets with the same success as Kobach's election task force.

*See what I did there?
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Who are these nuns that were forced to buy contraception?
 
Trebuchet said:
Or, in the non-doublespeak version, a task force intended to DECREASE the religious liberty of anyone who is not a white male evangelical Christian, especially the LGBTQ community.

Posting here rather than Politics because it seems more appropriate.

Linky.
About the twitter reaction.
ACLU response.

We can only pray* that it meets with the same success as Kobach's election task force.

*See what I did there?
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Oldest trick in the book:if you are planning to take away someone's freedom, always disguise it as "defending" freedom.
 
With Sessions ties to Russia I figure this is just winding up the gay concentration camps after his setting them up for the mexicans(now keeping families together in the concentration camps).

Still Log cabin republicans will happily report to concentration camps if they get a tax cut.
 
pgwenthold said:
Who are these nuns that were forced to buy contraception?
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That was my question too when I saw a link in one of our other threads today.
No answer (yet), so my guess is... the Elf might have been referencing some christian backed health care facility/hospital where the "nuns" had to fill out purchase orders etc. for contraceptives/bc/ "the pill"... whatever.

Of course... I could be completely wrong. [emoji14]

The phrase is major clickbait... worse if he used it in the speech without explanation. It's just the most horrible, misleading way to phrase it. Intentional? :(
 
I think it's important the the DoJ move against brazen religious discrimination, such as any proposal for a complete and total shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until inept and overtly bigoted politicians can figure out what the hell is going on.

Somehow, I doubt that this is what overtly bigoted politician Jeff Sessions has in mind.
 
In the great old tradtion of the Pilgrims; Shout loudly about religious freedom, but when it power forbid it to everybody else.

Wiered thing is I actually could support the baker on the grounds that a business has the right to turn down a customer for whatever reason they see fit. IMHO turning down a paying customer for no good reason except bigotry is a crime that carries it's own punishment: in the long run, Bigotry is bad for business.
 
Jim_MDP said:
That was my question too when I saw a link in one of our other threads today.
No answer (yet), so my guess is... the Elf might have been referencing some christian backed health care facility/hospital where the "nuns" had to fill out purchase orders etc. for contraceptives/bc/ "the pill"... whatever.
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Or this Nun who damned her self to eternal torture because people mistakenly think that preventing some slut dying is a reason for an abortion.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072
 
dudalb said:
... Wiered thing is I actually could support the baker on the grounds that a business has the right to turn down a customer for whatever reason they see fit. IMHO turning down a paying customer for no good reason except bigotry is a crime that carries it's own punishment: in the long run, Bigotry is bad for business.
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That's such a horrible case to have been made the current poster child.
The guy says they are welcome to (and have) buy anything he sells... except a "wedding" cake (artistic or otherwise, I presume).

I doubt he'd create one for a civil service reception either... but now we're splitting hairs.

I don't know... we're not going to change heartland/conservative rural thinking quickly, and forcing it may be the wrong approach. As you say... this was a business (non)transaction, with its' own consequences. Not a lynching.

Back OT... I wish Jeff would go **** himself. :(
 
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pgwenthold said:
Who are these nuns that were forced to buy contraception?
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I'm going to have to look for that, but IIRC they are trying to take Hobby Lobby one step farther by not only not paying for contraception in their employees' health plans, but not allowing the employees to pay for the coverage either.
 
dudalb said:
In the great old tradtion of the Pilgrims; Shout loudly about religious freedom, but when it power forbid it to everybody else.

Wiered thing is I actually could support the baker on the grounds that a business has the right to turn down a customer for whatever reason they see fit. IMHO turning down a paying customer for no good reason except bigotry is a crime that carries it's own punishment: in the long run, Bigotry is bad for business.
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Except when bigotry becomes common business. During Jim Crow, no business went bust from hanging a "Whites Only" sign in their window.

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pgwenthold said:
Who are these nuns that were forced to buy contraception?
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When the ACA mandated the health insurance employers offer employees must cover contraception, a bunch of nuns who have employees sued because it offended their religious beliefs. It was similar to the HobbyLobby case.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Or this Nun who damned her self to eternal torture because people mistakenly think that preventing some slut dying is a reason for an abortion.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072
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Typical white male religious POV:
"In the case of priests who are credibly accused and known to be guilty of sexually abusing children, they are in a sense let off the hook," Doyle says.

Doyle says no pedophile priests have been excommunicated. When priests have been caught, he says, their bishops have protected them, and it has taken years or decades to defrock them, if ever.

"Yet in this instance we have a sister who was trying to save the life of a woman, and what happens to her? The bishop swoops down [and] declares her excommunicated before he even looks at all the facts of the case," Doyle says.
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Venom said:
Making sure those gay cakes ain't gettin' baked.
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Just skimming through the actual document, it looks like people can refuse to do pretty much anything if they chuck "religion" in the reason

2 The free exercise of religion includes the right to act or abstain from action in accordance with one's religious beliefs.

The Free Exercise Clause protects not just the right to believe or the right to worship; it protects the right to perform or abstain from performing certain physical acts in accordance with one's beliefs. Federal statutes, including the Religious Freedom Restoration Act of 1993 ("RFRA"), support that protection, broadly defining the exercise of religion to encompass all aspects of observance and practice, whether or not central to, or required by, a particular religious faith.
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Trebuchet said:
I'm going to have to look for that, but IIRC they are trying to take Hobby Lobby one step farther by not only not paying for contraception in their employees' health plans, but not allowing the employees to pay for the coverage either.
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I think it's a reference to Little Sisters Of The Poor, included in Zubik v. Burwell. It's not just that they refused to pay for insurance that would have provided contraceptive coverage for their employees, they refused even to fill out a form which would notify HHS of their religious objection, since filling out that form would have allowed the "insurance company [to] then provide the contraceptive coverage directly to employees without any involvement of the employer, including any distribution of literature or extra payments by the employer." To their infinitely elastic consciences, that would still have made them complicit in their employees' sin of contraception. (It seems "holier than thou" is quite the burden)


The Supreme Court basically punted on the issue; I don't know how it was finally resolved, but I doubt very seriously any nuns were ever actually made to pay for contraception. Sessions seems to be going for the "prayer outlawed in school" type of rhetoric- a lie, but one that its intended audience is eager to hear, since, for fundies, it's very important that they be able to think of themselves as victims of persecution rather than as dealers of it.
 
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