Cont: Scorpion's Spiritualism, Part Deux

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Thread continuation from here As always, feel free to quote from posts in the old thread.
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Why would you want to?

Because there is a clear difference in probability. Look at these two coincidences:

1) You are thinking about your favorite episode of your favorite sitcom. You turn on the TV to find that episode playing.

2) You are thinking of your favorite super model. You come home to find her waiting for you in your bed.

Are both equally coincidental?
 
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Warp12 - could you please provide examples of the type of phenomenon you think should be looked into?

Otherwise no one will be able to discuss your claim with you.
 
Warp12 - could you please provide examples of the type of phenomenon you think should be looked into?

Otherwise no one will be able to discuss your claim with you.
 
Warp12 - could you please provide examples of the type of phenomenon you think should be looked into?

Otherwise no one will be able to discuss your claim with you.

As I have expressed, I am looking at the totality of anecdotal "evidence" that falls under the general umbrella of psychic or atypical sensory experiences. So, you can pick any popular one, if you like.

The reason I am not inclined to specify a particular phenomenon is because it will simply turn into a debunking session.

I have made no "claim". My statement has consistently been, that based on the anecdotal evidence, I feel continued research is warranted. I feel that IF there is something, we are obviously not likely to find it with current research methods. I assert that if we deem something "impossible", that is essentially the end of the research path.
 
A reminder that this thread's topic is "Scorpion's Spiritualism." Discussions should be centered around "Scorpion's Spiritualism" and not paranormal topics in general or any other poster's Spiritualism. I will move some posts to AAH from the old thread to give you an example of what I mean. I trust that will suffice to get the discussion back on track.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: xjx388
 
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Scorpion is declining to further discuss his spiritualism.

Well' I have said it all haven't I. I have given all the anecdotal stories I can and have run out. Nobody here believes a word I have said. What is worse is that I only have 45 pages for a book about it. I was laying awake last night and it occurred to me someone from my old employment might have written something about their experiences with me and telepathy. I thought that if they had I would have a witness, and a whole new lease of life for my book.
So I did a google search, but found nothing. So here is the name of the company which I post in the hope someone from the company who knows my story will find this page while using a search engine, and contribute a third party account of the events I have spoken of. On the other hand they might try and sue me. Ha , ha.

FKI Transervice ltd
Cryptons.
 
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Because there is a clear difference in probability. Look at these two coincidences:

1) You are thinking about your favorite episode of your favorite sitcom. You turn on the TV to find that episode playing.

2) You are thinking of your favorite super model. You come home to find her waiting for you in your bed.

Are both equally coincidental?
One is far more unlikely than the other, certainly, but neither is evidence of the paranormal.

And no, this is not my opinion. The law of truly large numbers is backed up by mathematics. Even highly unlikely coincidences will occasionally happen, most people can expect to experience or witness at least a couple in the course of an average lifetime. Just because it seems counterintuitive doesn't mean it isn't a fact. This is what led Scorpion into his bizarre beliefs - his conviction that his intuition is the best guide to what is and is not paranormally unlikely. Please do not follow him down that road. He is simply wrong about that, and so are you.
 
So here is the name of the company which I post in the hope someone from the company who knows my story will find this page while using a search engine, and contribute a third party account of the events I have spoken of. On the other hand they might try and sue me. Ha , ha.

FKI Transervice ltd
Cryptons.

In the highly unlikely event this happens, I predict their memory and interpretation of those events will be very different to yours.
 
Well' I have said it all haven't I. I have given all the anecdotal stories I can and have run out. Nobody here believes a word I have said.

Which is what you should expect given the evidence you have either provided or withheld. Earlier you told us you came here to simply share your views. On the one hand you tell us you ignore criticism, or recover from it quickly. On the other hand you seem disappointed that people should disbelieve you. At some point you're going to have to make friends with the notion that if you tell tall tales in front of an avowedly skeptical audience, the response you got is the response you should have expected, and -- dare I say it -- the response you were specifically looking for. Blaming other people for it won't get you the respect you think you deserve.

What is worse is that I only have 45 pages for a book about it.

Then you need to consider the possibility that your story is of little interest to anyone but yourself. I get that some people want to be heard, or at least want to feel like they've been heard. But the story you have to tell seems to boil down to nothing more than a person suffering the expected consequences of a terrible disease, and the same person having an interest in a possible hereafter but lacking the ability to discuss it cogently with others having similar interest.

In my somewhat disinterested opinion, your best course is to accept that you are laboring under a special burden and to get help for it, even if you think it's not real or that you don't need any such help.

I was laying awake last night and it occurred to me someone from my old employment might have written something about their experiences with me and telepathy.

No, I guarantee they didn't. Having myself had to dispense with problematic employees, I can say with some certainty that they cannot have forgotten you soon enough.
 
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"Either you accept my unsupported crazy anecdotes or you're calling me a liar. You aren't calling liar are you? Are you?"

*Prepares either cross to nail self to, chip to place on shoulder, or a toughguy 'use better not be calling me no liar' routine.*

is not the argument Woo Slingers think it tis.
 
Unless all you people have spent over twenty years attending spiritualist churches like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion. In those years I received many evidential messages, Accurate information only I could have known. It was more than hot or cold reading.
 
Unless all you people have spent over twenty years attending spiritualist churches like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion. In those years I received many evidential messages, Accurate information only I could have known. It was more than hot or cold reading.

This is patently not true Scorpion.

What if I came to you and said "Unless you have spent over 20 years attending Mosque like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion. In all those years I have heard the call of Allah and have directly felt His presence. It was more than personal feelings."? Would you accept this as an answer?
 
Unless all you people have spent over twenty years attending spiritualist churches like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion. In those years I received many evidential messages, Accurate information only I could have known. It was more than hot or cold reading.

Someone who attends every performance by David Copperfield and believes everything he sees is not an expert on stage magic. Someone who goes to every quack doctor within 20 miles and swallows every worthless remedy they give him is not an expert on medicine.

Unless you have acquired basic critical thinking skills and know how to avoid being fooled by others, your own natural cognitive biases and wishful thinking, you are not qualified to have an opinion.
 
Strange how you assured everyone you were ready to let your spiritualism thread die because you were resigned to being unable to make your point. If my memory is correct, you even disavowed trying to establish that you were right. Then you hijack the thread that was justifiably split from yours, to continue trying to claim that your critics are wrong and only you can be right. It seems you just can't stand not being the center of attention.

Unless all you people have spent over twenty years attending spiritualist churches like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion.

Nonsense. Unless you've spent forty years, as I have, studying the quirks of religion, the principles of critical thinking, and the methods people use to fool one another, you are not qualified to have an opinion. Your opinion is simply based on a different sort of experience than that of your critics regarding the same phenomenon. Steeping yourself credulously in something is not always the best way to inform a defensible opinion.

In those years I received many evidential messages, Accurate information only I could have known. It was more than hot or cold reading.

The whole point of hot and cold reading is to convince the rube that only he could know the information that was presented, and therefore that the reader is a miracle-worker. It's really no different than a stage magician going to extreme and creative lengths to preclude all the ways in which the audience might think he really isn't sawing the nice lady in half. All it requires is him thinking of one way the rube doesn't imagine it could otherwise be done. As we belabored in the thread where this discussion belongs, you really don't know the extent to which those techniques can be practiced, nor the degree to which they are successful. Since your critics approached the problem not from the point of view of belief in the claims, but from a position of being willing, able, and qualified to test those claims, they naturally arrived at a different conclusion than you did.

But the question is less about which side of a debate is properly informed by experience and more about which side has the best evidence. Our best evidence is the admission from the practitioners in general that they use a variety of tricks to achieve seemingly miraculous feats, and that nature of these tricks isn't that hard to discover. Your best evidence is just more claims, specifically that there exists a vast alternate reality that can be seen and heard only by specially anointed people, a world that cannot display any logical consistency and can be described only by silly bastardizations of sciency-sounding terms, yet manages to have real (albeit somehow still undetectable) effects on the physical world while deftly remaining magically hidden from scientists eager to discover it.

It's really not hard to see what the most defensible answer is here.
 
Unless all you people have spent over twenty years attending spiritualist churches like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion. In those years I received many evidential messages, Accurate information only I could have known. It was more than hot or cold reading.

Been there, done that, now what?
 
Unless all you people have spent over twenty years attending spiritualist churches like I have, you are not qualified to have an opinion. In those years I received many evidential messages, Accurate information only I could have known. It was more than hot or cold reading.
Actually, let us put a shape on that. Is 40 plus years sufficient experience enough? Because I have that experience. So had you a point to make?
 
Actually, let us put a shape on that. Is 40 plus years sufficient experience enough? Because I have that experience. So had you a point to make?

Don't tell me you attended spiritualist churches for 40 years without getting evidential messages? By evidential I mean subjective evidence that applies to you. Like a departed relative communicating personal information to you.
 

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