Scientologists get Darwined

[strathmeyer]

Woman stabbed Scientologist parents

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20070709105012263C912426

I found it interesting that the article ended on this note:

The Church of Scientology, which includes actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta among its celebrity members, is against psychiatry and opposes the use of psychiatric drugs.

Wow, a news source actually holding people accountable. Next thing we're going to see in an article, "The RIAA, made up primarily of EMI, Sony, Universal, and Time Warner..."

As usual, they're having a riot on Fark (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2919816).

 

[my_wan]

The working link is;
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2919816

I'm all for bad press for scientology. It's just a shame it has to come with such awful consequences.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Woman stabbed Scientologist parents

http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20070709105012263C912426

I found it interesting that the article ended on this note:



Wow, a news source actually holding people accountable. Next thing we're going to see in an article, "The RIAA, made up primarily of EMI, Sony, Universal, and Time Warner..."

As usual, they're having a riot on Fark (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2919816).

The 25-year-old woman, who cannot be named, appeared briefly in court on Monday to be charged for the stabbing attacks at her family home in a Sydney suburb, the Australian Associated Press reported.

She made no application for bail because she was unfit to be interviewed, her lawyer Wade Bloomfield told the court.

Consultant psychiatrist Mark Cross said in a report that the woman was diagnosed with a psychotic illness at Bankstown Hospital in late 2006, the court heard.

She's an adult. How is it her parents have a vote in what treatment she gets?

???????

DR

 

[firecoins]

If a woman is insane, she can not consent to treatment. Usually the family will get consent over her, in some cases the state will take into custody. Now she is in custody of the state.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

She's an adult. How is it her parents have a vote in what treatment she gets?

???????

DR

I don't know how it works in Australia, but in the US the person could be deemed unfit, and various levels of authority could have been granted to the parents. If she couldn't care for herself or function in society, they could have been a type of guardian, thus had complete authority over her care.

Sad, sad, sad. In a way it's ironic justice, but it's still sad.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Sometimes I think the World is a sad, sad place.

(And other times I know it is.)

 

[Charlie Monoxide]

It is a sad story. The only positive side is that there are now a few less Scientologists....

Charlie (assuming the dead sister is an anti-thetan) Monoxide

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

I don't know how it works in Australia, but in the US the person could be deemed unfit, and various levels of authority could have been granted to the parents. If she couldn't care for herself or function in society, they could have been a type of guardian, thus had complete authority over her care.

Sad, sad, sad. In a way it's ironic justice, but it's still sad.

what is even sadder is that Scientologists have already gone through at least one similar tragedy just over a year ago in Buffalo New York. Jeremy Perkins stabbed his mother to death while suffering from severe psychiatric illness - it was the subject of a Dateline program IIRC.

 

[Miss Anthrope]

It's so blatantly obvious that Scientology hates psychiatry because it's the enemy of such twisted thinking.

What we really have to worry about are these sufferers of psychotic illnesses harming themselves and people other than the scientologists who would hold back appropriate care.

What's very puzzling to me about the story in the OP is that one would assume it was psychiatric diagnosis which would grant whatever legal status the parents had over their adult child. Irony, anyone?

 

[The Great Hairy One]

Here's some more info:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...1183833431861.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

It's likely that the woman's parents were basically her guardians, as Miss Anthrope hypothesises. That means that they would have had control over her medicine and also have been in charge of when she went to the doctor, etc., etc.

It's a horrible thing. I'm hoping that Scientology is censured for this.

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[Darth Rotor]

Here's some more info:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...1183833431861.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

It's likely that the woman's parents were basically her guardians, as Miss Anthrope hypothesises. That means that they would have had control over her medicine and also have been in charge of when she went to the doctor, etc., etc.

Thanks to you all for clearing that up, I understand better now.

It's a horrible thing. I'm hoping that Scientology is censured for this.

What good will that do? They've a rep for pure stubbornness.

DR

 

[strathmeyer]

It's a horrible thing. I'm hoping that Scientology is censured for this.

Like they were all those other times?

But a spokeswoman for Scientology's Australian arm, Vicki Dunstan, said she doubted the family belonged to the church. It had no knowledge of them and had never had contact with them.

Well, that settles it. Scientology can't be held responsible for people who follow their advice but don't also give them their money.

 

[Oliver]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national...1183833431861.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

Oh, what a tragic Irony.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQCR02Unqhg

Does anyone else in here has the strong impression that Scientology tries to cover their psycho-methods "religious believes" with their antipathy towards Psychiatry?

 

[Zep]

Another note is that recently the woman was allowed resume taking the prescribed drugs, and also that she changed from Scientology to a Pentacostal church as well. Out of the frying pan...

Which suggests the rest of her family were quite possibly hounding her unmercifully about that...while she was quite possibly having a psychotic episode. Did they withhold her drugs, possibly? Certainly when she was arrested she was acting violently and was definitely off with the pixies.

This really needs to be written up and advertised as an example of what happens with Scientology and Pentacostals. They need the (bad) press.

 

[gtc]

The papers here in Sydney are covering the story in quite some detail:

Sydney Morning Herald

Sydney Morning Herald again

Daily Telegraph

The Australian

The Daily Telegraph points out that a man with the same name as the dead father was a member of the Church's Honour Roll in 2002 but the Church is denying that it is the same man.

It will be interesting to see how Channel 9 (one of the highest rating TV stations) covers the story as James Packer is allegedly a Scientologist.

 

[Cain]

I bet Australians are feeling really stupid about their gun control laws right about now. Anyway, Scientology is so five years ago. It's all about Raelianism now.

Zep writes:

Which suggests the rest of her family were quite possibly hounding her unmercifully about that...while she was quite possibly having a psychotic episode. Did they withhold her drugs, possibly? Certainly when she was arrested she was acting violently and was definitely off with the pixies.

Do you have any opinions about the price of gold in the short-term. I mean, while we're speculating...

 

[WildCat]

Those damn Thetans, what will it take for us to finally do something about them?

 

[Zep]

I bet Australians are feeling really stupid about their gun control laws right about now. Anyway, Scientology is so five years ago. It's all about Raelianism now.

...gun laws?

Do you have any opinions about the price of gold in the short-term. I mean, while we're speculating...

...speculation is illegal now? Did I miss a memo?

 

[Oliver]

Does anyone else in here has the strong impression that Scientology tries to cover their psycho-methods "religious believes" with their antipathy towards Psychiatry?

*Bump* ... out of curiosity ....

 

[The Great Hairy One]

I bet Australians are feeling really stupid about their gun control laws right about now.

WTF???? Gun laws? So, instead of stabbing her mother, father and sister, she could have gunned down the neighbour, the two guys in cars, the passerbys and the cops when they turned up to collect her.

You moron.

Cheers,
TGHO