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Sceptics stage homeopathy 'overdose'

There's already a thread on this here.

However, you may have a different aspect of it you want to address than is being discussed in there, so a different thread might be worth while.
 
Indeed, I'm not contributing to that thread because I see it as a train wreck. We need a new one, and this is a better place for it.

Rolfe.
 
Indeed, I'm not contributing to that thread because I see it as a train wreck. We need a new one, and this is a better place for it.


OK, I'll post this here as well then:

Homeopathy proven to work after overdosing protesters eventually fall asleep

Homeopathic practitioners are today claiming victory for the efficacy of their remedies, after a protest by the 10:23 group who overdosed on homeopathic sleeping pills, left each participant asleep within just 36 hours of taking the remedy.


"RELATED STORIES: Boots to launch own-brand ‘Chocolate Teapot’ range"
 
I know what they got wrong. Since these SCAM remedies are said to get stronger as you dilute them, to OD you have to take less. Since I don't take ANY, I'm at the most risk of overdosing. Of course, since I'm simultaneously being treated with the strongest possible dose of every homeopathetic medication know to mankind, I'm the picture of health.

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Boots Spokesman said:
"We would support the call for scientific research and evidence gathering on the efficacy of homeopathic medicines. This would help our patients and customers make informed choices about using homeopathic medicines."

You would support the call? There has been a call for this research for as long as homeopathic medicine has been out. The very least they could do is be honest and admit to selling them solely for profits (which is their prerogative). Instead, they try to play themselves off as the innocent bystander and almost relish in their ignorance of scientific research.
 
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Wouldn't the easiest way to overdose on a homeopathic solution be to refuse to take it?
 
Fact is, we are all addicted to homoeopathic drugs; but we're all in denial.
 
Every glass of water you drink is a homeopathic solution of some sort.
Likely many sorts....

I'm not trying to defend homeopathy - it's junk science - but there is a common error within skepticism to forget that homeopathic remedies need to be potentized.

Homeopaths do not claim that remedies are created through dilution alone.

Which means that when we argue from absurdity that the oceans must be incredibly powerful homeopathic remedies, we are engaging in a strawperson.

As a skeptic, I recommend against it.
 
I always get annoyed when I'm in my local Boots branch and I see all the homoeopathic 'remedies' on the shelf.

Leon

I just noticed a homeopathic section at my local grocery store and was a little surprised to find it in the health products section.

I realize people are stupid enough to buy it, and ultimately the profit made from selling them helps keep prices down all over the store. But I honestly believe they should sell it where it belongs, beside the fancy bottled water.

I don't know what can be done, but I'll tell you what I did. When I saw the display I brought it to the attention of the pharmacist and and shamed him for displaying it beside traditional remedies. He kind of shrugged and said there was little he could do because it was a large chain store etc. etc. At least he knows how some people feel about it.
 
I'm not trying to defend homeopathy - it's junk science - but there is a common error within skepticism to forget that homeopathic remedies need to be potentized.

Homeopaths do not claim that remedies are created through dilution alone.

Which means that when we argue from absurdity that the oceans must be incredibly powerful homeopathic remedies, we are engaging in a strawperson.

As a skeptic, I recommend against it.

Not really, if you actually read the woowoo explanations for why and how potentation works.

There is nothing magical about smacking a bottle on a horse hair pillow. The pillow and the horse hair and all aren't even catalysts there.

What is supposed to make it work is simply the energetic smack or really anything similar. That's what makes water get memory. (In their BS rationalization.) Smacking the bottle against a hard-ish pillow is one way to make that happen, but really there's nothing saying it's the only one.

There is no logical no reason why a waterfall or boat propeller or really even a water-hammer pump or even a turbine wouldn't create at least _some_ potentation. Frankly even a flush from an old style toilet should have _some_ effect. Heck, a larger raindrop hitting the pavement, or the water on the surface of a hailstone hitting the ground, or just the drops from a shower hitting the tub, should see a lot more energetic an impact than smacking a bottle on a pillow, and cause potentation, if their BS "theory" was actually correct.

And that's not even getting into stuff like, you know, remembering statistical thermodynamics. It's a gaussian distribution of mollecule speeds, and some of the collisions even in a coffee cup left on the desk will be at energies far higher than what such "potentation" can add. So basically if there was an actual phenomenon, you'd expect it to happen naturally over time in the sea or in a municipal water reservoir.

But, again, even without such advanced stuff as remembering about molecules, it should still happen naturally anyway.
 
I'm not trying to defend homeopathy - it's junk science - but there is a common error within skepticism to forget that homeopathic remedies need to be potentized.

Homeopaths do not claim that remedies are created through dilution alone.

Which means that when we argue from absurdity that the oceans must be incredibly powerful homeopathic remedies, we are engaging in a strawperson.

As a skeptic, I recommend against it.

At the same time homeopaths can't agree on what does and doesn't constitute the succussion required by potentitization or dynamization.

The blessed Hahnemann himself warned practitioner against keeping remedies in their waistcoat pockets for fear of over potentizing.

Dynamization was for Hahnemann a process of releasing an energy that he regarded as essentially immaterial and spiritual. As time went on he became more and more impressed with the power of the technique he had discovered and he issued dire warnings about the perils of dynamizing medicines too much. This might have serious or even fatal consequences, and he advised homeopaths not to carry medicines about in their waistcoat pockets lest they inadvertently make them too powerful.


http://skepdic.com/homeo.html

If I believed in homeopathy I would be very keen for there to be detailed research into what does and what doesn't constitute an effective process for releasing this energy. Not least because there's someone else designing toilet flushes and sewage treatment plant who needs this information for the sake of public health.
 
How do homeopaths explain why only the substance they started the dilution with is potentised, and not all the other substances the water molecules have been in contact with in the past?
 
How do homeopaths explain why only the substance they started the dilution with is potentised, and not all the other substances the water molecules have been in contact with in the past?


Yes - they use distilled water. Distilling resets the memory, apparently.

Although you have to wonder how they found out...
 
Yes - they use distilled water. Distilling resets the memory, apparently.

Although you have to wonder how they found out...
Even so, normal distilled water has ppm levels of other substances, and unless you have extremely rigorous lab procedures, the mere process of pouring water into a vial will leave perhaps a hudred ppm of various contaminants in the sample. One ppm corresponds to the homeopathic dilution of 3C, so in potentizing steps above that (which means most), the amount of contaminants is higher than that of active substance.

Hans
 
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